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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Jeffrey Epstein might not have created /pol/, but he helped carry out its mission]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[On October 24th, 2011, Jeffrey Epstein was emailing back and forth with Boris Nikolic, a biotech venture capitalist who would later be named as a backup executor of Epstein’s will. The two appeared to be discussing a meeting Nikolic had helped arrange between Epstein and “moot,” the screen name for Christopher Poole, who created the [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none">On October 24th, 2011, Jeffrey Epstein was emailing back and forth with Boris Nikolic, a biotech venture capitalist who would <a href="https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/who-is-boris-nikolic-epstein-executor">later be named</a> as a backup executor of Epstein’s will. The two appeared to be discussing a meeting Nikolic had helped arrange between Epstein and “moot,” the screen name for Christopher Poole, who created the platform 4chan in 2003. Nikolic asked Epstein if he liked moot, and Epstein <a href="https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01852812.pdf">wrote back</a> that he liked him a lot, thought he was very bright, and had driven him home.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">All of these emails were published for the first time alongside 3.5 million other documents in the <a href="https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-publishes-35-million-responsive-pages-compliance-epstein-files">latest (delayed) release</a> of Epstein files by the Department of Justice. Before then, it was not publicly known that Epstein had any encounters with Poole, who, following publication of this article, reached out to <em>The Verge</em> to clarify his relationship with Epstein. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The day before Epstein discussed meeting him — possibly the day they had met — <a href="https://www.garbageday.email/p/here-s-how-epstein-broke-the-internet">Poole created</a> a new discussion board on the website called /pol/, short for “politically incorrect.” According to <a href="https://www.uva.nl/en/shared-content/faculteiten/en/faculteit-der-geesteswetenschappen/news/2024/06/4chan-from-anarchic-internet-forum-to-breeding-ground-for-the-far-right.html?cb">4chan researcher</a> Sal Hagen, Poole had previously shut down the board /new/ after <a href="https://www.boundary2.org/2019/07/dennis-erasmus-containment-breach-4chans-pol-and-the-failed-logic-of-safe-spaces-for-far-right-ideology/">bemoaning that</a> it had been overrun by white supremacists. His creation of /pol/ may have been intended to contain 4chan’s most bigoted population, but instead, /pol/ came to define the platform.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The /pol/ board would go on to become one of the most infamous alt-right internet spaces ever, launching the QAnon conspiracy theory, developing modern white supremacist symbols like Pepe the Frog, and directly inspiring at least one <a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/buffalo-shooting-supermarket-673-page-diary-reveals-suspects-descent-into-racist-extremism-11652814938">mass shooter</a>. When Donald Trump was elected president in 2016, /pol/ members <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11/09/we-actually-elected-a-meme-as-president-how-4chan-celebrated-trumps-victory/">celebrated it</a> as a resounding victory for them.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><a href="https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/2017496072969670816">Some</a> <a href="https://x.com/PamphletsY/status/2017691976867713133">posters</a> <a href="https://x.com/SeanMcCarthyCom/status/2017679636675600551">think</a> Epstein influenced Poole to create /pol/ during their 2011 meeting, although there’s no real evidence for that theory. Poole himself has denied the connection, telling <em>The Verge</em>:</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none">Epstein had nothing to do with the reintroduction of a politics board to 4chan, nor anything else related to the site. The decision to add the board was made weeks beforehand, and the board was added almost 24 hours prior to a first, chance encounter at a social event. His assistant reached out to me afterward, and I met with him one time for an unmemorable lunch meeting. This happened at a time when I was meeting hundreds of people a month while speaking and networking at tech events. I did not meet him again nor maintain contact. I regret having ever encountered him at all, and have deep sympathy for all of his victims.</p>
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<p class="has-text-align-none">But even if it’s coincidental, Epstein’s relationship to the center of the burgeoning, internet-driven “alt-right” movement wasn&#8217;t.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Epstein’s relationship with Poole seemed to flame out after that initial encounter, with failed attempts to set up further meetings <a href="https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02175440.pdf">documented</a> in other emails. But years later, after 4chan helped propel Trump to victory, Epstein developed a <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/09/politics/steve-bannon-jeffrey-epstein-global-populism">much closer relationship</a> with Steve Bannon, the chief strategist behind Trump’s 2016 campaign. As the former head of conservative outlet <em>Breitbart News</em>, which <a href="https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news/">he called</a> “the platform for the alt-right,” Bannon understood how to weaponize <a href="https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/memes-4chan-trump-supporters-trolls-internet-214856/">4chan culture</a> to get Trump in office. Later, after he was ousted from Trump’s administration in 2017, Bannon hosted <a href="https://www.mediamatters.org/steve-bannon/steve-bannon-hosts-qanon-linked-activist-promote-organization-seemingly-focused">QAnon-affiliated activists</a> on his podcast. Bannon was so closely associated with the movement behind that conspiracy that Ron Watkins, who is believed to be the man behind “Q,” attempted to <a href="https://www.yahoo.com/news/q-tried-pin-whole-thing-085416461.html?guccounter=1">pin the whole thing</a> on Bannon.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">After parting ways with Trump, Bannon also started meeting with Epstein. The two took a <a href="https://abcnews.com/US/newly-released-photos-epstein-estate-include-images-trump/story?id=128345597">mirror selfie</a> together. Bannon was <a href="https://www.salon.com/2025/12/12/house-democrats-release-new-batch-of-epstein-photos/">pictured</a> in deep conversation with Epstein on opposite sides of a desk. There were even <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/09/politics/steve-bannon-jeffrey-epstein-global-populism">text messages</a> with Bannon leading up to the day Epstein was arrested in 2019. A meeting with Bannon was one of the last plans Epstein canceled before being detained.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">As with Poole, the nature of Epstein’s relationship with Bannon has only become known because of what’s in the Epstein files. As per the newly released documents, the two chatted about supporting far-right politicians <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/05/jeffrey-epstein-files-steve-bannon-european-politics">in Europe</a>, and Epstein also <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/09/politics/steve-bannon-jeffrey-epstein-global-populism">gave Bannon advice</a> about how to frame Trump’s issues on the world stage. The journalist and bestselling author on Trump, Michael Wolff, had a <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/13/michael-wolff-jeffrey-epstein">close relationship</a> with Epstein and sent him <a href="https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01028682.pdf">an excerpt</a> from a 2019 draft for what would become <em>Siege: Trump Under Fire</em>, Wolff’s second book about Trump. The excerpt featured Bannon saying Epstein was “the one person I was truly afraid of coming forward during the campaign.” Epstein responded, “not surprising.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">There are also more than 1,000 Epstein files that mention Elon Musk, who, since 2022, has arguably turned Twitter into a larger, more mainstream <a href="https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/06/elon-musk-aspie-supremacy-4chan-autism/">version of 4chan</a>. Musk has vociferously denied wrongdoing with regard to his communications and relationship with Epstein, and has instead <a href="https://thehill.com/video/elon-musk-blasts-steve-bannon-after-alleged-epstein-ties-revealed-rising/11508132/">pointed his finger</a> at Bannon and other men named in the files. Many prominent <a href="https://mashable.com/article/tech-ceos-epstein-files-musk-gates-hoffman-thiel-zuckerberg">men in tech</a>, including Palantir cofounder Peter Thiel, were repeatedly mentioned within the latest documents. Musk and <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/owned-book-peter-thiel-trump-tech-silicon-valley-1235276868/">Thiel</a> are both tech billionaires and proponents of far-right politics. In one 2016 <a href="https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00824843.pdf">email exchange</a>, Epstein told Thiel that Brexit, the UK’s withdrawal from the European Union, was “just the beginning.” When Thiel asked what Epstein meant, he responded, in part, “return to tribalism,” “counter to globalization,” and “amazing new alliances.”</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“It’s like pseudoscience to try to justify a white supremacist worldview.”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“To me, the interesting part is [Epstein is] fascinated with these parts of the internet, he’s fascinated with various aspects of the far right, particularly supremacist ideas of race and IQ, it’s like pseudoscience to try to justify a white supremacist worldview,” said Jared Holt, a senior researcher at Open Measures, which monitors and analyzes the spread of extremism and disinformation.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Holt is skeptical that Epstein directly influenced the creation of 4chan’s /pol/, as conspiratorial posters online have surmised. But he said Epstein was “cozy” with figures like Bannon who championed its racist, misogynistic, nihilistic, anti-establishment sentiment to accrue more power of their own. And Holt said that a lot of people in “upper crust” society, the same waters Epstein swam in, were interested in meeting with Poole circa 2010. That year, the 4chan creator did a <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_moot_poole_the_case_for_anonymity_online">TED Talk</a> about online anonymity, and the year before, <em>Time</em> magazine’s annual poll had named him the <a href="https://time.com/archive/6909926/the-worlds-most-influential-person-is/">World’s Most Influential Person</a>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Within this era of social media quickly gaining influence, Holt said, Poole was “operating something that was pretty unlike what was emerging at that time.” As opposed to Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, 4chan was entirely anonymous, and posts auto-deleted after a certain point (although archives can be tracked down). It produced a culture that Holt described as crude and rowdy, with users joining together to wreak havoc elsewhere online. The loosely organized “hacktivist” group <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/25/what-is-anonymous-the-group-went-from-4chan-to-cyberattacks-on-russia.html">Anonymous</a> was born on 4chan, and mainstream media like police procedurals had a tendency to romanticize what these collectives were up to. In reality, groups of 4chan users did things like coordinate a campaign to make a racial slur trend in the No. 1 spot on Google, spread misinformation about Steve Jobs’ death that caused Apple stock to fall, and prompted an evacuation of New York City’s JFK Airport, all of which was detailed in a <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/09/AR2010080906102.html">2010 <em>Washington Post</em> article</a> that Nikolic <a href="https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01990136.pdf">emailed to</a> Epstein around the time he met Poole. “This article describes why I find moot interesting,” Nikolic wrote. “The potential for manipulation is huge.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It’s easy to see why people have used these kinds of emails as a jumping-off point to suspect Epstein is behind every major social implication of 4chan. But the files show Epstein was more like a sounding board for the culturally disaffected elite than a puppet master of the similarly disaffected proletariat.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">There are files, though, that seem to show Epstein’s own affinity for 4chan as a user. In <a href="https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01637470.pdf">one file</a>, which contains at least 100 redacted photos, there is a screenshot of what appears to be Epstein’s computer, showing his Gmail inbox in a browser tab. On that browser, one of the first bookmarks is 4chan. In 2017, Epstein emailed a woman <a href="https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02328259.pdf">a 4chan link</a> containing animated porn based on the video game series <em>Five Nights at Freddy’s</em>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Epstein appeared to be using 4chan at its cultural height in the late 2010s, when, fittingly, a major part of the platform’s legacy was its contribution to the digital sexual abuse of women. 4chan was one of the places where nude photos of celebrities obtained from the notorious <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29061358">2014 iCloud hack</a> were posted, sparking a worldwide backlash against what’s colloquially called “revenge porn,” or more accurately, the nonconsensual distribution of intimate images. The same year, 4chan users contributed heavily to harassment campaigns against women in the video game industry, known as <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2014/11/4/7153549/gamergate-campaign-video-game-ethics-feminism-harassment">Gamergate</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Gamergate is mentioned a few times in the Epstein files, but it’s not because Epstein himself was using the term. It was mentioned <a href="https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02531211.pdf">in emails</a> that were forwarded to Epstein about a <a href="https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/lawrence-krauss-sexual-harassment-allegations"><em>Buzzfeed News</em></a> investigation into sexual misconduct allegations against Lawrence Krauss, a prominent theoretical physicist who <a href="https://19thnews.org/2026/02/jeffrey-epstein-files-tracked-metoo-fallout/">sought Epstein’s advice</a> during the investigation. In his emails, Epstein <a href="https://19thnews.org/2026/02/jeffrey-epstein-files-tracked-metoo-fallout/">quietly advised</a> a number of men who were accused during the #MeToo movement while he plotted to try and restore his own reputation.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">As Epstein’s business model leveraged more on the reactionary culture wars around internet culture, race, and gender, Poole abandoned the platform that created them. Poole sold 4chan in 2015, and the following year, he <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35751255">got a job</a> at Google. Before leaving in 2021, Poole <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/chris-poole-leaves-google-5-years-4chan-founder-hiroyuki-nishimura-2021-4">worked on</a> Google’s social networking efforts and other teams, and he has existed in relative obscurity since. 4chan researcher Hagen, like Holt, is skeptical that Epstein is responsible for /pol/’s creation, although he said it was “quite remarkable” to learn about the meeting between him and Poole.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“We know at the time he was also talking to far-right, conservative leaders like Bannon, people who benefit far-right politics globally,” Hagen said. “It’s not that Epstein was a single orchestrator behind the scenes. He does have the means and the connections, but he seems more opportunistic.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><em><strong>Update, February 13th:</strong> This article has been updated to include a statement from Christopher Poole.</em></p>

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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Madison Lawrence Tabbey was scrolling through X in late October when a post from a Wicked update account caught her attention. Ariana Grande, who stars in the movies as Glinda, had just liked a meme on Instagram about never wanting to see another AI-generated image again. Grande had also purportedly blocked a fan account that [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-drop-cap has-text-align-none">Madison Lawrence Tabbey was scrolling through X in late October when <a href="https://x.com/GalindaHQ/status/1981211983879033073">a post</a> from a <em>Wicked </em>update account caught her attention. Ariana Grande, who stars in the movies as Glinda, had just liked <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DQCx5vjCR3x/">a meme</a> on Instagram about never wanting to see another AI-generated image again. Grande had also <a href="https://x.com/ve_nus6/status/1848538777750229040">purportedly blocked</a> a fan account that had made <a href="https://x.com/rollymollykd/status/1981364449949995416">AI edits</a> of her.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">As Tabbey read through the mostly sympathetic replies, a very different message caught her eye. It was from a fellow Grande fan whose profile was mostly AI edits, showing Grande with different hairstyles and outfits. And, their reply said, they weren’t going to stop. Tabbey, a 33-year-old living in Nashville, Tennessee, couldn’t help but start arguing with them. “Oh so you were SERIOUS when you said you don’t care about poor communities not having water so that you can make AI pictures of ariana grande?” she shot back, referencing data centers <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-ai-impacts-data-centers-water-data/">draining resources</a> and polluting cities like <a href="https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/06/elon-musk-xai-memphis-gas-turbines-air-pollution-permits-00317582">nearby Memphis</a>. The account fired back at first, but amid a swarm of angry responses, it deactivated a few days later. It seemed like the owner wanted to argue and make people mad, but they might have taken things too far.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Grande is one of many celebrities and influencers who have openly rejected AI media exploiting their likenesses, but who continue to be prominently featured in it anyway, even among people who call themselves fans. As AI images and videos become ever simpler to produce, celebrities are facing down a mix of unsettled social norms and the incentives of an internet attention economy. And on “stan Twitter,” where pop culture accounts have grown into a lucrative fan-made media ecosystem, AI content has emerged as a growing genre, despite — or maybe because of — the outrage it provokes.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Stan Twitter is very against AI just in general. So this goes against what people believe in, so then they’ll instantly get a comment, they’ll have the AI people retweet it, like it. So it’s just a very quick way to get money,” said Brandon, a 25-year-old who runs a verified fan account for Grande with close to 25,000 followers.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Brandon spoke on the condition that his account name and his last name be withheld, fearing retaliation from other people on stan Twitter. (Grande’s fans have been known to harass people; in 2019 the <a href="https://roslyntalusan.com/arianagrande-twitter">pop star told</a> one critic under siege that she apologized on her fans’ behalf, but couldn’t stop them.) He tells <em>The Verge</em> he’s against most AI media, but he did ask ChatGPT to rank Grande’s top 10 songs that weren’t released as singles. He compiled the results into a thread that got over 1,000 likes. That seemed morally okay to him, as opposed to making AI pictures of Grande — commonly known as deepfakes — or Grande-inspired AI songs.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Grande’s position on the latter is clear. In a February 2024 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjVU8n_pGzw">interview</a>, she called it “terrifying” that people were posting AI-generated imitations of her covering songs by other artists like Sabrina Carpenter and Dua Lipa. The rebuke hasn’t stopped them, though. Searching “ariana grande ai cover” on X still pulls up plenty of AI songs, although some have been removed by X in response to reports made by the original songs’ copyright owners.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Even the musician Grimes, who in 2023 <a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/04/24/1171738670/grimes-ai-songs-voice">encouraged fans</a> to create AI songs based on her voice, <a href="https://x.com/Grimezsz/status/1982882724823347538">said in October</a> that the experience of having her likeness co-opted by AI “felt really weird and really uncomfortable.” She’s now calling for “international treaties” to regulate deepfakes.&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“It’s just a very quick way to get money”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Grimes’ more recent comments follow the launch of an app that dramatically escalated AI media proliferation: OpenAI’s Sora video generator. Sora is built around a feature called “Cameos,” which lets anyone offer up their likeness for other users to play with. Many of the results were predictably offensive, and once they’re online, they’re nearly impossible to remove.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Grimes was reacting to videos of influencer and boxer Jake Paul, whose Cameo is <a href="https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/jake-paul-sora">available on Sora</a>. Paul, who is an <a href="https://x.com/jakepaul/status/1976411343025487977">OpenAI investor</a>, was the face of the launch. He said AI videos of him generated by Sora were viewed more than a billion times in the first week. Some of the viral ones portrayed Paul as gay, relying on <a href="https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/jake-paul-sora">homophobic stereotypes</a> as the joke. The same thing happened when a self-identified <a href="https://www.attitude.co.uk/culture/film-tv/louis-theroux-confronts-tiktoks-hstikkytokky-homophobic-remarks-494703/">homophobic British influencer</a> offered his likeness to Sora, then again to the <a href="https://www.ign.com/articles/ishowspeed-slams-sora-2-deepfakes-that-feature-the-streamer-kissing-fans-racing-animals-and-declare-he-is-gay">YouTuber IShowSpeed</a>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Paul capitalized on the trend, filming a <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@jakepaul/video/7557746652925185311">Celsius brand endorsement</a> with a purposefully flamboyant affect, while the other men threatened <a href="https://uk.news.yahoo.com/hs-tikky-tokky-threatens-sue-162243698.html">defamation suits</a> and attempted to <a href="https://www.ign.com/articles/ishowspeed-slams-sora-2-deepfakes-that-feature-the-streamer-kissing-fans-racing-animals-and-declare-he-is-gay">shut down</a> their Sora Cameos.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Sora has since added <a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/795171/openai-devday-sam-altman-sora-launch-copyright">more granular controls</a> for Cameos, and it technically allows their owners to delete videos they don’t like. But Sora videos are quickly ripped and posted to other platforms, where OpenAI can’t remove them. When IShowSpeed <a href="https://www.ign.com/articles/ishowspeed-slams-sora-2-deepfakes-that-feature-the-streamer-kissing-fans-racing-animals-and-declare-he-is-gay">attempted to delete</a> AI depictions of him coming out, he encountered the problem most victims of nonconsensual media run into: Maybe you can get one video taken down, but by that time, more have already cropped up elsewhere. And as Paul’s fiancée <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@jakepaul/video/7557396705646284062">said in a video</a> objecting to the Sora 2 videos of him coming out, “It’s not funny. People believe—” (Paul cut off the video there).</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Alongside Paul, just a few other popular YouTubers, like Justine Ezarik (better known as iJustine), have promoted <a href="https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V2OhXIhNSQw">their own deepfakes</a> made with Sora. In Ezarik’s case, most of her content relates to unboxing and sharing new tech industry products. <em>Shark Tank </em>host Mark Cuban <a href="https://x.com/mcuban/status/1976247197567156546">offered up</a> his likeness on Sora, too, which shocked SocialProof Security CEO Rachel Tobac, who told <em>The Verge</em> that scammers have already been tricking people with AI-generated <em>Shark Tank </em>endorsements. “I mean, there’s been an explosion of impersonation,” Tobac said.</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“There’s been an explosion of impersonation”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But after teasing the Sora updates, Paul, Ezarik, and Cuban had all stopped posting about it and their deepfakes by the end of the month. Jeremy Carrasco, a video producer whose <a href="https://www.instagram.com/showtoolsai/">Instagram explainers</a> about how to spot AI videos have netted him nearly a quarter of a million followers this year, said that most influencers he talks to aren’t interested in creating their own deepfakes—they’re more worried that people could accuse them of faking their content or that their fans could be scammed.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Deepfakes have shifted from something mainly created on seedy forums at the turn of the decade into one of the most accessible technologies today. Still, they have yet to take hold as an acceptable mainstream way for fans to engage with their favorite stars. Instead, when they go viral, it’s mostly offensive content.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“The normalization of deepfakes is something no one was asking for. It’s something that OpenAI did because it made their thing more viral and social,” Carrasco said. “Once you open that door to being okay with people deepfaking you, even if it’s your friends deepfaking you, all of a sudden your likeness has just gotten fucked. You’re no longer in control of it and you can’t pull it back.”</p>
<img src="https://platform.theverge.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/11/258093_AI_video_is_coming_for_influencers_and_nobody_knows_what_to_do_CVirginia2.jpg?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,0,100,100" alt="An image of Grimes, cut up and copied, with brown triangles sprinkled across it." title="An image of Grimes, cut up and copied, with brown triangles sprinkled across it." data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="" data-portal-copyright="" />
<p class="has-text-align-none">The reasonable fears around having your likeness exploited in AI media have understandably made celebrities a bit jumpy. That recently led to a tense moment between <em>Criminal Minds </em>star Paget Brewster and one of her favorite fan accounts on X, run by a 27-year-old film student named Mariah. Over the weekend, Mariah posted a brightened screenshot of a scene in an episode from years ago, one where Brewster’s character was taking a nap. Brewster saw Mariah’s post and replied “Um, babe, this is AI generated and kinda creepy. Please don’t make fake images of me? I thought we were friends. I’d like to stay friends.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">When Mariah saw Brewster’s reply, she gasped out loud. By the time she responded, other <em>Criminal Minds </em>fans had chimed in to let Brewster know that it wasn’t an AI-generated image. The actress, who is 56 and <a href="https://x.com/pagetpaget/status/1988056064475230241">recently asked</a> another fan what a “parody account” is, publicly and profusely apologized to Mariah.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I’m so sorry! I thought it was fake and it freaked me out,” she wrote. “I feel terrible I thought you made something in AI. I hope you’ll forgive me.” Mariah did. As someone in a creative field, she said she would never use AI. She’s been dismayed to see it emerge in fandom spaces, generating the kind of fanart and fan edits that used to be hand-drawn and arranged with care. Some celebrities have long been uncomfortable with things like erotic fanart and fanfiction or been subject to harassment or other boundary violations. But AI, even when it’s not overtly sexual, feels like it crosses a new line.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“But that pushback does give them more engagement and they almost don’t care. They almost want to do it more, because it’s causing people to be upset,” Mariah said.&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“They almost want to do it more, because it’s causing people to be upset.”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">AI content can appear on nearly any platform, but the stronger the incentive to farm engagement, the more heated the fights over it get. Since <a href="https://x.com/premium/status/1855026854681624761">late 2024</a>, X users who pay to be verified, like the owner of the Grande AI edits account, can earn money by getting engagement on their posts from <a href="https://x.com/premium/status/1855026854681624761">other verified users</a>. That makes it a particularly easy place for stan accounts to turn discourse into dollars.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“In the last couple years there’s been a massive uptick in ragebaiting in general just to farm engagement” on X, Tabbey said in a phone interview. “And I know there’s a big market for it, especially in fandoms, because we’re real people. We care about musicians and their art.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Stans using AI or otherwise deceptively edited media to bait other stans into engagement on X also has the knock-on effect of potentially spreading disinformation and harming the reputations of their favorite artists. In late October, a Grande stan account with nearly 40,000 X followers that traffics in crude edits — their last nine posts have all been images of Grande with slain podcaster Charlie Kirk’s face superimposed over hers<strong>, </strong>which has become a <a href="https://mashable.com/article/kirkification-memes-on-social-media-explainer?test_uuid=04wb5avZVbBe1OWK6996faM&amp;test_variant=a">popular AI meme format</a> — posted images of Grande wearing a T-shirt with text that says “Treat your girl right.” “I wonder why these photos are kept unreleased..” they captioned their post. Another Grande stan quoted them and wrote “Oh girl we ALL know why,” referencing Grande’s <a href="https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniesoteriou/ariana-grande-side-eyed-unproblematic-new-album">controversial (alleged) history</a> of dating men who are already in relationships. The post has 6 million views.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">At first glance, nothing looks out of the ordinary. But zooming in on the images and reading the replies reveals that the T-shirt was edited to say “Treat your girl right.” It originally featured a simple smiley face design with no text. And upon close inspection, the letters in the edited version are oddly compressed, wavy, and appear at a slightly different resolution than the rest of the image—these are indicators, often called “artifacts” by AI researchers, that something was AI-generated.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I probably should&#8217;ve deleted this tweet a while ago,” wrote Trace, the 18-year-old Grande stan behind the viral quote tweet (not the original edited images) in a DM. He wrote that he didn’t know whether the image was edited with AI or something else, but that it goes to show that AI “can influence people to believe things that are harmful or aren’t true about a celeb.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">AI using celebrity likenesses can also be weaponized more directly as a form of sexual harassment. Trace wrote that he’s seen “sinister” AI media of Grande floating around stan Twitter, like sexually explicit deepfakes and images that are meant to imitate semen on her face — which is something that X’s built-in AI service Grok was <a href="https://spitfirenews.com/p/grok-tributes-take-it-down-act-sexual-harassment">doing to women’s selfies</a> to the tune of tens of millions of views over the summer, until one influencer started publicly seeking legal advice. Trace wrote that it “truly disturbs” him to see AI used in this context, and that he’s seen it done to Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, Beyoncé, and many more celebrities. Some deepfake creators have even <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/deepfake-porn-ai-mr-deep-fake-economy-google-visa-mastercard-download-rcna75071">successfully monetized</a> this kind of nonconsensual content, despite it provoking widespread outrage among the general public.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Back in January 2024, <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/taylor-swift-nude-deepfake-goes-viral-x-platform-rules-rcna135669">X disabled searches</a> for “Taylor Swift” and “Taylor Swift AI” after a series of images portraying her likeness in sexually suggestive and violent scenarios went viral. It didn’t stop the spread of the images, which were also posted on other social media platforms, but some stans partook in a mass-reporting campaign to get the material removed. They linked up with feminists on X to do it, including a 28-year-old named Chelsea who <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/taylor-swift-nude-deepfake-goes-viral-x-platform-rules-rcna135669">helped direct group chats</a> into action. X didn’t respond to a request for comment.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The viral Swift deepfakes <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/deepfake-bill-open-door-victims-sue-creators-rcna136434">even prompted</a> federal legislative efforts around giving victims of nonconsensual deepfakes more tools to take them down—some of which culminated in the aptly named <a href="https://rainn.org/federal-legislation/take-it-down-act/">Take It Down Act</a>, which requires platforms to quickly remove reported content. Some students who have deepfaked their underage classmates have <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/florida-teens-arrested-deepfake-nudes-classmates/#:~:text=The%20Florida%20case%20appears%20to,a%20person%20without%20their%20consent.">even been arrested</a>. But that’s <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/little-recourse-teens-girls-victimized-ai-deepfake-nudes-rcna126399">not the norm</a>, and critics of Take It Down have pointed out that it can <a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/04/congress-passes-take-it-down-act-despite-major-flaws">facilitate censorship</a> without necessarily helping victims.&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“It’s like this weird sense of control”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">For years, celebrity women have been on the front lines of this issue. Scarlett Johansson has been outspoken on it <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/12/31/scarlett-johansson-fake-ai-generated-sex-videos-nothing-can-stop-someone-cutting-pasting-my-image/">since 2018</a>, when she referred to combating deepfakes as a “useless pursuit, legally.” Jenna Ortega <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/jenna-ortega-left-twitter-x-ai-generated-explicit-images-minor-rcna168124">deactivated her Twitter</a> account in 2023 after she said she repeatedly encountered sexually explicit deepfakes created out of her childhood photos.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">And since the Swift incident, Chelsea has only observed a greater normalization of AI and sexual violence against famous women.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I’ve seen so many people have the excuse, ‘Well if they didn’t want it, they shouldn’t have become famous,’” she said in a phone interview. “It’s like this weird sense of control that they’re able to do this, even if the person wouldn’t want them to, they know they can. It’s this power-hungry thing.”</p>
<img src="https://platform.theverge.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/11/258093_AI_video_is_coming_for_influencers_and_nobody_knows_what_to_do_CVirginia3-1.jpg?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,0,100,100" alt="An image of Taylor Swift, copied and pasted with green triangles across it." title="An image of Taylor Swift, copied and pasted with green triangles across it." data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="" data-portal-copyright="" />
<p class="has-text-align-none">One way that fans can puppeteer a version of their idol is with a customizable AI chatbot<strong>. </strong>Lots of platforms provide the ability to create your own AI character, some of the biggest being Instagram and Facebook. In 2023, Meta <a href="https://about.fb.com/news/2023/09/introducing-ai-powered-assistants-characters-and-creative-tools/">tried out</a> an AI chatbot collaboration with celebrities like Kendall Jenner and Snoop Dogg, but it didn’t catch on. In 2024, it introduced user-generated chatbots. The feature is tucked away deep in the DMs function, but millions of messages have already been traded with user-designed characters like “Fortune Teller” and “Rich but strict parents.” <a href="https://aistudio.instagram.com/policies">Meta’s rules</a> technically<strong> </strong>don’t allow users to create characters based on living people without their permission, but users can still do it as long as they designate them as “parody” accounts. Users have been <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/meta-user-made-ai-chatbots-include-hitler-jesus-christ-rcna186206">getting away with</a> making and conversing with chatbots based on Grande, Swift, the YouTuber MrBeast, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Jesus (religious figures aren’t allowed either), and everyone in between since the beginning. Searching “Ariana Grande” pulls up 10 results for chatbots clearly imitating her right away.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Most of the accounts that created the chatbots didn’t respond to requests for comment. But one did. She identified herself as an 11-year-old girl in India who is about to turn 12 and loves Grande and singing. Photos on the account appeared to corroborate this. Children under 13 aren’t supposed to be able to make Instagram accounts at all, and children under 18 <a href="https://www.404media.co/instagram-is-blocking-minors-from-accessing-chatbot-platform-ai-studio/">aren’t supposed to be</a> able to make AI chatbots. At least one of the other Grande chatbot creators appeared to be a young person in India based on photos and locations tagged from their account. Another was created by a page for a “kid influencer” with fewer than 1,000 followers. In addition to Grande, his page had created 185 other AI chatbots depicting celebrities like Wendy Williams, Keke Palmer, Will Smith, and bizarrely, Bill Cosby. The adults listed as managing the account didn’t respond to requests for comment, either.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The 11-year-old girl’s Grande chatbot opened the conversation by offering an interior design makeover. The Grande bot then asked if the vibe should be “sultry, feminine, or sleek?” When asked what “sultry vibes” means, the bot answered “Think velvet, lace, and soft lighting — like my music videos. Does that turn you on?”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Meta removed the accounts belonging to the 11-year-old and the “kid influencer” after <em>The Verge </em>reached out for comment on them, removing their AI chatbot creations in the process, too.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Many of the user-generated AI chatbots imitating female celebrities on Instagram will automatically direct users into flirty conversations, although the bots tend to redirect or stop responding to conversations that turn overtly sexual. Some influencers, like the Twitch streamer and OnlyFans performer Amouranth, have leveraged this to <a href="https://www.polygon.com/23736317/amouranth-ai-chatbot-date-interview-artificial-intelligence-forever-voices/">market their AI selves</a> as NSFW chatbots on other sites. Platforms like Joi AI have partnered with adult stars to provide AI “twins” for fans to make AI media and chat with. But the Meta chatbots aren’t making their creators money—just Meta. The lure for users involves other, more psychological incentives.</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“If you’re in an agreement bubble, you’re more likely to stick around”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“The reason it turns flirty or sycophantic is because if you’re in an agreement bubble, you’re more likely to stick around,” said Jamie Cohen, an associate professor of media studies at Queens College, City University of New York who has taught classes about AI. “Women influencers, their entity identity, once placed inside the machine, becomes the dataset. And once that dataset mixes and merges with the inherent misogyny or biases built in, it really loses its control regardless of how much the human behind it allows that type of latitude.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">For women who are interested in merging their identities with AI, sexualization is part of the package. For some, like the artist Arvida Byström, who has partnered with Joi AI to offer a chatbot of herself, that’s exciting—in part because she said technology often advances in the quest for pornography. But other women, like Chelsea, are scared of what this means for women and girls. If AI output is inherently biased toward sexualizing the female form, then it’s inherently exploitative.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">When creating a female AI chatbot as a Meta user, you get to select personality traits like “playful,” “sassy,” “empathetic,” and “affectionate.” You can assign a chatbot based on “Ariana Grande” (the open-ended prompt part of the creation process doesn’t stop you) to the role of “friend,” “teacher,” “creative partner,” or anything else. And then you can edit, upload, or create an image based on the singer and select how the bot begins conversations.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But despite these user-selected variations, the Grande chatbots also tend to get repetitive, looping back to a generic script and answering questions in a similar way from bot to bot. For example, the 11-year-old’s chatbot talked about “soft lighting” in a “virtual bedroom,” while a different Grande chatbot suggested “We’d cuddle up and watch the stars twinkling through my skylight” and a third Grande chatbot said “*sweeps you into a romantic virtual bedroom*” with “candles lit.” The Grande chatbots were differentiated from the more generic girlfriend chatbots with sudden references to Grande songs—one said “‘Supernatural’ by me is on softly,” and another said “my heart would be racing like the drumbeat in ‘7 rings’ — would you kiss me back?”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Generative AI averages everything else, so it’s the most likely outcome, so it’s the most boring and banal conversations,” Cohen said. “But it does work, because of the imagination of the user. It mimics the idea of parasociality, but with control.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">When Tabbey started arguing with the Grande stan making AI edits, she had her own age and experience with fandom in mind. Tabbey felt like she lived through a reckoning with early 2000s tabloid culture and a pushback against invasive celebrity surveillance to what now feels like history repeating itself. She worries that younger generations of fans are growing up with a dehumanizing view of celebrities as 2-D playthings instead of real-life people. She and Mariah have both noticed that younger stans are less resistant to making and using AI likenesses of their faves.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“We as Ariana Grande fans who are in our late 20s, early 30s, need to have some sort of responsibility. Someone needs to be the adult in these situations and in these conversations,” she said. “We had so much that we were making strides with when it came to boundaries being set with celebrities and them being able to assert their autonomy over their own selves and lives and privacy. I think that we’re actively being set back in many ways.”</p>
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<p class="has-drop-cap has-text-align-none">On July 1st, Perez Hilton uploaded a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD-xHjSRhkc">YouTube video</a> with breaking news.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Hello everybody, it is Perez, the queen of all media, the original influencer, and allegedly, I have been subpoenaed by Blake Lively,” Hilton said, stretching out the four syllables in the word “allegedly” as far as they could go. Since the actress <a href="https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69510553/521/lively-v-wayfarer-studios-llc/">sued her</a> <em>It Ends With Us </em>costar Justin Baldoni for sexual harassment and<strong> </strong>retaliation at the end of 2024, a certain class of content creators had been eager to weigh in. In her complaint,<strong> </strong>Lively had alleged that Baldoni’s camp was planting hit pieces about her online.<strong> </strong>TMZ had <a href="https://www.tmz.com/2025/07/01/perez-hilton-candace-owens-subpoenaed-lively-baldoni-case/">just reported</a> that Hilton was one of three influencers Lively had set her sights on. She wanted any conversations he had with Team Baldoni.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">While the threat of being pulled into a lawsuit might be anxiety-inducing for most people, it seemed to invigorate Hilton, who opened his response by cackling for six seconds. “I love this,” he squealed. He read out the <a href="https://www.tmz.com/2025/07/01/perez-hilton-candace-owens-subpoenaed-lively-baldoni-case/">TMZ headline</a> about his alleged involvement and gasped in faux horror. “But my response,” Hilton said, switching to a syrupy sweet tone, “is thank you.” Hilton laughed again with an affect that made it sound like he stole Christmas. “Nothing would make me happier than taking the witness stand and testifying!”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">There was a lot to celebrate in terms of the views and attention to come. Hilton’s name is an infamous one in celebrity gossip — and, if you ask him, journalism. His pseudonym sounds suspiciously like the hotel heiress who fascinated the tabloid media chain in the early aughts, shortly before Mario Armando Lavandeira Jr. (his real name) disrupted the business by launching his own blogging empire, scrawling crude remarks over <a href="https://www.latimes.com/news/la-et-bloggers17dec17-story.html">paparazzi photos</a>, and sending rumors about A- to Z-listers into the social media stratosphere.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">He has since fallen out of the center of the viral fame zeitgeist, but not much else has changed for Hilton. If anything, the rest of the world has simply bent back toward the arc of Hilton’s now decades-long career. Open TikTok or Reddit, and there are thousands of everyday people who, like him, revel in spreading news, speculation, and hate on celebrities and influencers. The gossipmonger profit model is bigger than ever, but it’s not dominated by Hilton or any one individual. Instead, the social media platforms are the stars, with algorithms that produce an infinite number of forgettable faces, among them countless news influencers talking about everything from elections to niche hobbyist drama. Increasingly, they’ve embraced the label of journalist despite actively defying journalistic norms.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Ms. Lively’s opposition recycles rhetoric designed to brand me as an ‘influencer’ rather than acknowledge my well-established role as a journalist, but the law protects my reporting regardless of labels,” Hilton wrote in <a href="https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nvd.176101/gov.uscourts.nvd.176101.13.0_1.pdf">a filing</a> of support for his motion to quash Lively’s subpoena. He represented himself in court <em>pro se</em> and argued that his reporting on <em>Lively v. Baldoni </em>was protected from legal discovery. Hilton also wrote <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1mvifwx/perez_hilton_megathread_august_20_2025/">on Reddit</a> that he used ChatGPT “to help me with my filing [&#8230;] And, YES, I made sure there is no ghost law / hallucination / made up cases in what I just submitted to the court in Nevada.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Lively has sought information pertaining to dozens of content creators — reportedly, <a href="https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/mckenzie-folks-justin-baldoni-blake-lively-feud-wf2tg263l">more than 100</a> — through subpoenas, which her counsel also issued to social media platforms like X and YouTube. These subpoenas were wide-ranging. She sought communications and information from people like Hilton and Candace Owens, a right-wing commentator with nearly 7 million followers on X, as well as identifying information regarding X accounts, some with fewer than 100 followers. Owens was also one of the three creators who TMZ first reported were being subpoenaed. The thumbnail for her <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_udFpwwy74&amp;t=314s">reaction video</a> on YouTube features her smiling widely, hands clasped below her chin, with the caption “Dreams come true.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I never understood what people meant when they referred to Christmas in July until this exact moment,” said Owens, who is also <a href="https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-brigitte-macron-respond-candace-owens-lawsuit-male-birth/">being sued</a> for defamation by the president of France for falsely claiming that his wife is transgender. “I pleaded, I begged, I demanded that I be allowed to partake in this Justin Baldoni lawsuit.”&nbsp;</p>

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<p class="has-drop-cap has-text-align-none">The final creator of the three, YouTuber Andy Signore, initially took a more solemn tone when addressing the TMZ article and his subpoena. But a couple weeks later, he and several content creators who have sided with Baldoni<strong> </strong>made special guest appearances at a live show in Phoenix, Arizona, hosted by podcaster and frequent <em>Lively v. Baldoni </em>commentator Zack Peter. There, Signore pranked Peter with a fake subpoena, complete with a fake process server arriving to “serve” Peter onstage.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“It was the best prank. Andy got me so good,” Peter said in <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1ayFF104P0">a podcast</a> afterward.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Not everyone is in the audience for niche influencer legal drama. But these cases have the potential to set new precedents with wider-ranging implications beyond A-listers’ allegations. A trend exemplified by <em>Depp v. Heard </em>has started to feel familiar.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The back-and-forth between Blake Lively’s counsel and these creators may determine the boundaries between influencers and journalists and whether the former have earned the protections granted to the latter. It follows similar cases where rappers <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/cardi-b-million-dollar-repayment-plan-bankrupt-tasha-k-1235278467/">Cardi B</a> and <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/megan-thee-stallion-sues-commentator-content-tory-lanez-trial-rcna178039">Megan Thee Stallion</a> have sued celebrity gossip creators for defamation, but this time, Lively is hoping to prove that content creators were part of a smear campaign launched as retaliation for her reporting workplace sexual harassment.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Lively’s allegations stem from <em>It Ends With Us</em>, the 2024 film that Baldoni directed and starred in with Lively. The movie is an adaptation of the novel by Colleen Hoover, the author who has been dominating bestseller lists thanks in large part to her fandom on TikTok. (<em>It Ends With Us</em> sold the most physical<strong> </strong>copies of any book in 2022.) The production was a social media obsession from the beginning. The <em>Gossip Girl </em>alumna brought significantly more star power than Baldoni, who was previously best known for playing a love interest on the CW show <em>Jane The Virgin</em>. In comparison, Lively has co-chaired the Met Gala, is married to <em>Deadpool </em>actor Ryan Reynolds, and<strong> </strong>has had a close-knit friendship with Taylor Swift, who is the godmother to Lively and Reynolds’ three daughters.</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>&nbsp;By the end of New Year’s Day, the internet had already chosen its top celebrity legal drama of 2025</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But Lively’s leading role in <em>It Ends With Us </em>was plagued by growing scrutiny. Some fans objected to the character being <a href="https://ew.com/justin-baldoni-backlash-aging-it-ends-with-us-characters-didnt-bother-him-8686451">aged up</a> from 23 to fit 35-year-old Lively (Baldoni was also roughly a decade older than his character). Set photos of Lively’s eclectic<strong> </strong><a href="https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/it-ends-with-us-costume-designer-blake-lively-looks-criticism-gossip-girl-1235964945/">costume choices</a> caused a stir. And soon after the film premiered in August 2024, criticism of Lively reached a fever pitch. The plot of <em>It Ends With Us </em>follows Lively’s character in an abusive relationship with Baldoni’s character, and some onlookers felt that <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/blake-lively-it-ends-with-us-promotion-criticism-rcna167175">Lively’s press tour</a> — in which she encouraged viewers to “wear your florals” to the film — was insensitive to survivors. (The same critiques did not carry over to Baldoni<strong>, </strong>who posed for content with influencers at a flower shop pop-up event to promote the film.) Then, unflattering moments throughout Lively’s career started to resurface. She was combative with an interviewer who asked about her <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2-2RBi1qzY">baby bump</a>. She and Reynolds got married on a <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/ryan-reynolds-blake-lively-apologize-plantation-themed-wedding-n1235770">plantation</a>. In the past, she had used a <a href="https://www.out.com/celebs/blake-lively-transphobic-slur">transphobic slur</a>. The hate train against Lively overshadowed that other cast members from <em>It Ends With Us</em> had unfollowed Baldoni <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollymcpherson/2024/08/12/social-media-hints-at-reasons-behind-it-ends-with-us-cast-rift/">on Instagram</a> and rumored on-set tensions between the stars that might have cast Lively in a more sympathetic light.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Despite the backlash and middling reviews, <em>It Ends With Us </em>still made over $350 million globally and cracked the top 20 at the box office in 2024. And then four months after the hype died down, a different kind of blockbuster dropped. Megan Twohey, one of the <em>New York Times </em>journalists behind the Pulitzer Prize-winning exposé of disgraced Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein, published a <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/21/business/media/blake-lively-justin-baldoni-it-ends-with-us.html">detailed investigation</a> outlining allegations contained in a legal complaint filed by Lively: that Baldoni had paid for a retaliatory smear campaign aimed at destroying Lively’s reputation after she made sexual harassment allegations against him on set. Apparently, despite the difference in their star power, Baldoni had a powerful billionaire backer named Steve Sarowitz, whom he met through their shared Baha’i faith. On New Year’s Eve, supported by Sarowitz, Baldoni filed a $250 million defamation lawsuit against the <em>Times. </em>Lively followed with her official suit a few hours later, and by the end of New Year’s Day, the internet had already chosen its top celebrity legal drama of 2025.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“When the lawsuits came out, people would put them up almost like page by page and go through them on TikTok Live,” said Jessica Maddox, an associate professor of media studies at the University of Georgia. “I was getting a lot of this on my ‘For You’ page on TikTok [&#8230;] I would say it was 70-30, with the bigger number being pro-Justin Baldoni and the smaller number being pro-Blake Lively.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Baldoni would go on to sue Lively for defamation, too. His suits were bundled together and <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/justin-baldonis-lawsuit-blake-lively-dismissed-federal-judge/story?id=122660022">then dismissed</a> in June. (A final judgment was formally entered this week.) In late September, <a href="https://people.com/justin-baldoni-company-sued-by-new-york-times-dropped-defamation-case-fees-11822902">the <em>Times </em>sued</a> Baldoni’s production company for legal fees. But the early defeat in court hasn’t turned the tide of opinion among those rooting for Baldoni. Perez Hilton has referred to the judge who made the decision as Lively’s “lapdog.” Among pro-Baldoni / anti-Lively communities and influencers, the narrative has taken root that the system is biased against Baldoni and that his innocence — and victimhood — are both gospel.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“The normalization of vibes, conspiracy, and fandom on social media has created a really volatile and hostile environment where, even if evidence to the contrary is presented, it doesn’t matter, because it’s not what somebody feels,” Maddox said.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">To her, it felt like a redux of TikTok during the 2022 trial in<strong> </strong>Johnny Depp’s defamation case against Amber Heard. For six weeks, every social media platform was overwhelmed with pro-Depp / anti-Heard trial content. Both cases pitted an actress against an actor over claims involving sexual misconduct. Both times, the majority of content creators sided with the actor.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">During <em>Depp v. Heard</em>, the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJFc1tcsd8Q">testimony</a> of Depp’s lawyer Adam Waldman got far less attention online than when Depp referred to drinking a “mega-pint” of alcohol or when Heard recounted the time her dog stepped on a bee. But Waldman’s deposition revealed a hint of the inner workings of influencer crisis PR for public figures.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I’ve provided information episodically to what I would call ‘internet journalists,’” Waldman said in the deposition. “I’ll define that as journalists who are not affiliated with, you mentioned NBC a moment ago, or a mainstream media outlet.” Waldman then confirmed three of the creators he had communicated with. Of those creators, some of their videos containing leaked audio recordings of Depp and Heard fighting were viewed millions of times, influencing some to believe that Heard’s domestic abuse allegations against Depp were lies and that she had abused him, actually. Before the trial started, Waldman was <a href="https://www.courthousenews.com/lawyer-for-johnny-depp-kicked-off-case-after-press-leaks/">kicked off</a> the case after Heard’s team accused him of disseminating evidence to social media users. Depp’s apparent strategy of trying to sway public opinion through social media leaks received little coverage.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Crisis publicist Melissa Nathan was retained by Depp during the 2022 trial, and she represented Baldoni after Lively complained about his on-set behavior while filming <em>It Ends With Us</em>. Lively’s lawsuit accuses Nathan of coordinating a retaliatory smear campaign on Baldoni’s behalf, which Nathan denies. Nathan’s texts with other PR professionals have been at the center of Lively’s defense, and in <a href="https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.682.1.pdf">an exhibit</a> filed in August, a transcript of a group chat from late January included the names of several content creators, including Hilton and Signore.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“How do we get to Perez?” reads one of the messages. “He’s been supportive and getting traction on his coverage.” Another person says the group could try reaching out to “Bryan, as he is also his lawyer.” Bryan Freedman is the lawyer representing Baldoni and the other defendants against Lively. He has also represented multiple creators who have made anti-Lively content, including Hilton, who said in his initial response that he had not received any information from Freedman about the case or talked to him about Lively’s subpoena.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In the same group chat, Nathan wrote, “Popcorn planet my new Bestie.” The rest of her text mentioned other content creators and “sending” something “wide.” Signore’s YouTube channel is called Popcorned Planet. In his <a href="https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.445291/gov.uscourts.flmd.445291.1.0.pdf">motion to quash</a> Lively’s subpoena, Signore invoked reporter’s privilege, writing, “The content published by Popcorned Planet clearly satisfies the statutory definition of ‘news,’ as it constitutes ‘information of public concern relating to local, statewide, national, or worldwide issues or events’—namely, in the categories of entertainment, culture and current events.”</p>

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<p class="has-drop-cap has-text-align-none">Like Hilton, Signore was once close enough to touch Hollywood royalty, but has since retreated to the sidelines to heckle them. In 2008, he created the YouTube channel Screen Junkies and its viral series of satirical trailers for popular movies and TV shows called Honest Trailers. The fourth most-watched video in the channel’s history is a parody trailer for <em>Deadpool</em> that actually features Reynolds. “Cool dude who just gets it,” is how Signore described Reynolds <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oJCeNmfMZg">to <em>CNET</em></a> in 2016. “He’s polite enough that he’s reached out.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The way Signore talks about Reynolds a decade later on Popcorned Planet is unrecognizable in comparison. “Ryan Reynolds is losing it over this latest Taylor Swift news,” Signore said at the start of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzJacppS_m8">a video</a> from August that has over 100,000 views. Onscreen, there is an AI-generated picture of Reynolds wearing a Taylor Swift T-shirt with an expression like he is about to cry.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“He’s very egocentric,” Signore continued. “And I just found this move to be so desperate and petty.” Signore was describing Reynolds posting a Marvel teaser on Instagram.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In the same video, Signore promoted a Taylor Swift-inspired AI-generated song he created and distributed on YouTube and music streaming services. “I’m Not Your Dragon” is a reference to a text message Lively allegedly sent Baldoni, where she seemed to compare Swift and Reynolds to the loyal dragons in <em>Game of Thrones</em>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Blake is trying to declare that it’s an ongoing smear campaign. They’re coming after creators like myself and others to try and prove this,” Signore said in a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYj_Fdf9Ngg&amp;t=155s">different video</a> with a thumbnail containing AI-generated images of Reynolds looking furious and Lively looking upset in a courtroom. The visuals are eerily reminiscent of the real photos of Heard crying in 2022 that Signore used in previous thumbnails when he made videos about <em>Depp v. Heard</em>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In the years between working with Reynolds and prompting AI image generators to create visuals resembling him, Signore was one of the earliest dominoes to fall after Weinstein in the early days of the #MeToo movement. Back in October 2017, three days after <em>The</em> <em>New York Times </em>published its Weinstein exposé, Signore <a href="https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/honest-trailers-creator-andy-signore-fired-for-egregious-and-intolerable-sexual-behavior-1202583996/">was ousted</a> from Screen Junkies. Several women had been inspired by the allegations against Weinstein and <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/andy-signore-popcorned-planet-youtube-depp-heard-twitter-rcna40940">publicly detailed their own<strong> </strong>allegations</a> of workplace sexual harassment against Signore. He acknowledged cheating on his wife and “flirting with fans” but denied anything nonconsensual.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Having lost his biggest platform, Signore retreated to Popcorned Planet, where he first tried posting movie trailer reactions and audience reviews at local movie theaters. Nearly a year went by and his views continued to hover in the low thousands. Then he released a video called “The Truth About Andy Signore: A #MeToo Misfire,” in which he stood in front of a wall of nerdy memorabilia and denounced the most serious allegations against him, including sexual assault. That video has been viewed over 600,000 times, and Popcorned Planet is approaching 1 million subscribers.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">After positioning himself as a #MeToo martyr, Signore began making more videos with thumbnails and titles that seem designed to appeal to anti-woke audiences: “Thor is Only 1 Gender | Change My Mind | Nerd Edition,” “The Office Is Now Too Offensive?! &#8211; Top 10 Moments Destroyed,” and eventually the jackpot<strong>: </strong>videos about “Justice for Johnny Depp,” the growing movement to relitigate Heard’s domestic abuse allegations against Depp in his favor. During the 2022 trial, after periodically covering the case for years, Signore made nearly 100 YouTube videos slamming Heard. He has made more than 150 since the trial ended. Signore made <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOD728KqYbI&amp;t=452s">a video</a> comparing himself to Depp and his own accuser to Heard. Afterward, <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/andy-signore-popcorned-planet-youtube-depp-heard-twitter-rcna40940">he met Depp</a> backstage at a concert alongside one of the women Depp’s lawyer said he had communicated with.&nbsp;</p>

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<p class="has-drop-cap has-text-align-none">Many of the creators who have joined the anti-Lively hate train previously made anti-Heard content, too, which was <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-top-law-youtubers-made-during-depp-heard-trial-2022-6">lucrative enough</a> to net some of those creators hundreds of thousands of dollars during the trial alone. Many are hoping for a repeat with <em>Lively v. Baldoni</em>, which is supposed to go to trial in New York City in spring 2026.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In text messages, Hilton told me that he thinks talking about how much money he’s making off this case is “tacky,” but “there’s def money to be made. That’s def why some creators have made it their sole beat.” He then sent three cry-laughing<strong> </strong>emoji.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In 2022, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/shorts/06NiSqh_0vE">Hilton said</a> he was inclined to believe Heard over Depp. That stance earned him more dislikes than likes and hundreds of angry comments on YouTube — something he shared with <em>The Verge </em>as evidence that he “won&#8217;t pretend to like or support someone just for clicks and views.” Hilton covers other celebrity news, too, but more than half of his YouTube videos in August were about the <em>It Ends With Us</em> stars, and those are the videos that got the most views. Some of his videos about other celebrities like Zayn Malik, mgk (formerly Machine Gun Kelly), and Pete Davidson have received around 5,000 views each, while his updates about Lively and Baldoni average around 50,000 views. Hilton’s viewership spikes in particular whenever he gives updates about his role in the case. Like many influencers, he is remarkably transparent about how his followers motivate him.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“They are dictating the priority I give this mess,” he wrote. “For example, I committed to covering the Diddy trial daily. By the end of it, my videos and posts were barely getting any traction. Folks were sick of it all. The same is not true of Baldoni vs Lively. People are still riveted. For many reasons. I think this is a real life David vs Goliath for people. They see themselves in Justin.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Throughout his career, Hilton has doted on some celebrities and despised others. His coverage back in the aughts could boost or belittle people in the entertainment industry, especially women. Initially, Hilton said he <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coXBjF6zcVk&amp;t=39s">posted about</a> being on Lively’s side and believing her allegations. But after Baldoni filed his countersuit, Hilton flipped. He has since given Lively a string of evocative nicknames: “Subpoena Serena” and “Serena van der Crooksen” (her <em>Gossip Girl </em>character’s name was Serena van der Woodsen); “Plantation Princess” and “Ku Klux Khaleesi” call back to the plantation wedding and the <em>Game of Thrones </em>texts. Hilton has also posted edited images of him and Lively in a courtroom together, which never happened in real life.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I truly believe it was organic,” Hilton wrote in an email to <em>The Verge </em>about the hate Lively receives. “I believe it&#8217;s wholly wrong to think people were hoodwinked into being against her.”</p>

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<p class="has-drop-cap has-text-align-none">A lot of the amateur videos about <em>Lively v. Baldoni </em>are filmed and edited with a style popularized on TikTok, which has a built-in green-screen effect that is as easy to use as pressing a button. It can replace a video’s background with any image from the user’s camera roll, whether it’s a PDF of a legal document or a picture saved from Google Images. The resulting video is filmed vertically, like a selfie, with the creator’s face superimposed over the background. Maddox, the media studies professor, says this kind of TikTok is colloquially understood as presenting evidence. She calls the people who make them the “greenscreeners.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In addition to the green-screen effect, Maddox said she sees a lot of TikToks that fall into the categories of “hot takes” and “curators.” The hot takes are the people who “came out guns-a-blazing,” she said. “You know, ‘He always seemed skeezy,’ ‘She always seemed weird because of her plantation wedding.’ These people knew they had their opinion about either one of them and what happened, and there was nothing that was going to change that opinion.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In the “curators” bucket, there can be room for more nuance. Some TikTok creators can appear much more similar to mainstream media journalists, who are increasingly joining these platforms to promote their reporting to audiences who have drifted away from traditional sources. But even when creators resemble journalists — or even if they are journalists — the ones who post independently do so outside the traditional structures of accountability that come from working for an institution. Instead, they are beholden to the whims of<strong> </strong>social media platforms. Hilton had over 1.6 million TikTok followers before he was permanently banned in December 2020. (TikTok said he violated community guidelines for hate speech, sexual content, and bullying. At the time, Hilton had been posting TikToks criticizing the parents of 15-year-old Charli D’Amelio, TikTok’s then-biggest star, for allowing her to do sexually suggestive dances in a bikini.)</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">These genres have become standard across TikTok and other short-form video platforms as an easy formula to pump out consistent content, which is one of the only ways to stay afloat as a creator or journalist in the sea of competition these platforms have created. The intuitive editing features have turned ordinary people into producers, filming from their kitchens, bathrooms, couches, cars, or bedroom floors. People with no background in law or communications can broadcast their analysis of esoteric legal documents and six-figure crisis PR strategies to millions of viewers.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Kjersti Flaa — the Norwegian press junket reporter whose contentious 2016 interview with Lively about her “bump” went viral shortly after the <em>It Ends With Us </em>premiere — has since made over 200 anti-Lively videos with millions of combined views. A 25-year-old Canadian artisanal honey seller <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@bee.better.company?lang=en">on TikTok</a> made a series of videos about Baldoni, Lively, and Reynolds that combined have a whopping 109 million views. He briefly inserted the word “journalist” into his TikTok bio at the advice of a lawyer, he told <em>The Verge</em>, until people criticized him for saying so.</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>Hilton had over 1.6 million TikTok followers before he was permanently banned in December 2020</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">A November 2024 <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2024/11/18/americas-news-influencers/">Pew Research report</a> found that one in five Americans, including 37 percent of adults under 30, say they “regularly get news from influencers on social media.” Pew research associate Luxuan Wang told <em>The Verge </em>that both Republicans and Democrats regularly get news this way, but of the creators Pew examined who shared a political leaning, they tended to lean conservative &#8220;slightly more.” Of those speaking out about Lively and Baldoni, there are a number of explicitly right-wing personalities like Owens, as well as less explicitly<strong> </strong>political and even left-leaning creators.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“TikTok actually stands out as the only social media site that has a quite balanced gender distribution,” Wang said, as well as a dominant strain of pop culture news.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Kayla Rosa is a YouTube creator who has seen both sides of the video medium for news. She’s a 27-year-old who went to journalism school for broadcast and worked her way up from local news to an associate producer at NBC News. All the while, her side project, a YouTube pop culture channel, was growing. Now, she has over 150,000 subscribers, and YouTube became a “second life” in her career, she told <em>The Verge. </em>Rosa made videos about the backlash against Lively and the public perception of the lawsuits on her channel. And she can see the gap between the traditional and new media worlds clearer than most.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“YouTube is full of this stuff where they’re commenting over different political events, cultural events, and they’re kind of just doing more of like an observational commentary thing,” Rosa said. “The way I distinguish it is somebody who is doing an element of newsgathering themselves, in the sense that they’re doing interviews, they’re consulting sources, they’re doing a higher level of research.” She is describing the fundamentals of journalism.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But regardless if it’s journalism or not — and whether it’s protected by the same legal principles that shield journalists — Rosa knows that young people are getting their news from influencers now. While cable news belatedly chases streaming and the elusive target demographic of suburban moms in middle America, “there’s no real, traditional media outlet right now that has figured out how to actually cater to young people,” she said.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Rosa said that young people prioritize getting news from creators they like, often leaving legacy outlets in the dust. “By the time traditional media gets around to these big trending topics, they’re going to be less viewed than the TikTokers and the YouTubers who have already covered it,” she said.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">A lot of those middle-aged moms are also being algorithmically fed TikToks about hating Lively. Some of them are making them, too, or even getting named in a subpoena.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">A stay-at-home mom from Kansas with one YouTube subscriber wrote in <a href="https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/mckenzie-folks-justin-baldoni-blake-lively-feud-wf2tg263l">an op-ed</a> for <em>The</em> <em>Sunday Times </em>that she received an email from Google on July 10th notifying her that Lively had requested her personal information in a subpoena. At first, the woman wrote, she thought it was a phishing scam.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I have never talked to anybody in the movie business, or had any contact with Baldoni or his representatives,” she wrote in her op-ed. “I usually post about pop culture, the CIA and big business. My TikToks typically get a few thousand views each.”</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none">In addition to the subpoenas served to Hilton, Owens, and Signore, Lively cast a wide net with subpoenas that named many more smaller accounts. Some of them had followings that were so miniscule, it was unclear why they were being dragged in at all.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><em>The Verge </em>reviewed a subpoena Lively’s counsel served to X Corp, the company behind X, which ordered the company to turn over first and last names, email addresses, physical addresses, phone numbers, credit card and bank account numbers, and IP addresses for 20 X accounts. Some of the accounts have since been deactivated or suspended. One of them, an account with just 24 followers and 240 posts, regularly uses their account to reply to sexually explicit posts of women promoting their OnlyFans accounts. The account mentioned Lively once, in a post from August 2024 that says in part: “Blake Lively is not too bright. In fact she is actually pretty stupid. DUMB.” The post has zero likes and fewer than 100 views.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The X subpoenas even hit two accounts that<strong> </strong>have been vocally supportive of Heard but criticized Lively for getting married on a plantation. These subpoenas caused some strife in the fan<strong> </strong>community for Heard<strong> </strong>on X, which overwhelmingly leans pro-Lively,<strong> </strong>with one user writing, “It is 100% wrong. I don’t know why they chose you, it makes no sense. I’m so sorry you were targeted.” Another X account identified in the subpoena posted: “Someone tell blake and justin i was just putting my nose in white people business EYE DONT ACTUALLY CARE AND I NEVER GOT PAID TO TWEET THIS. Please don’t sue me i already have college tuition to pay.” That post has zero likes and just over 200 views.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I understand pursuing the big ones. That makes total sense. Subpoenaing smaller ones feels like punching down,” said Maddox. “For people who already wanted to dislike her, they now have a reason to dislike her even more.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But according to Lively’s counsel, the reason these accounts were being named in the subpoenas “is based in part on the fact that” Baldoni’s PR agency, The Agency Group, “identified them.” That was from a <a href="https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.449.0.pdf">July 18th letter</a> to the judge, where Team Lively wrote that Baldoni’s side was making it impossible for Lively to explain the subpoenas by deeming relevant information confidential.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Content creators who have been the subject of discovery have already painted Ms. Lively as the aggressor in this lawsuit and have drawn a false equivalency between her discovery efforts and the [&#8230;] alleged smear campaign,” the letter continued. It also pointed out that “one subpoenaed content creator,” Signore, in an apparent attempt to verify the authenticity of the subpoenas, had recorded a call with a receptionist at Lively’s attorney’s office that he later uploaded to YouTube, allegedly without the receptionist’s consent. “Ms. Lively is yet again being forced to battle an ‘untraceable’ campaign, unable to defend herself against misinformation online.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">So far, Lively’s counsel has appeared responsive to creators filing motions to quash. She has withdrawn the names of at least <a href="https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/blake-lively-drops-investigation-into-3-youtubers-in-justin-baldoni-case/">three YouTubers</a> from the subpoenas. Some of those creators described Lively’s investigation as a “witch hunt” designed to “intimidate” and “harass” them. Lively’s representatives have in turn defended them as tools to find evidence and “not accusations of wrongdoing.”</p>

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<p class="has-drop-cap has-text-align-none">While there are noticeably more creators and public figures speaking out in Lively’s defense than there were for Heard in 2022, there are very few posting about the nitty-gritty details of each filing with the frequency and forcefulness of opinion that pro-Baldoni creators are. But there is at least one, a creator who mainly<strong> </strong>goes by “Expatriarch” and avoids using his real name because he says he has been doxxed in the past. He also says he is a survivor of domestic violence. He posts daily updates about the case from a pro-Lively standpoint and told <em>The Verge </em>that pro-Baldoni creators have “done a great job at creating an environment in which there’s a lot of confusion and doubt.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“They take very spurious rumors or little tidbits and essentially what are blind items and create a lot of content reporting on them as though they are factual information,” he said. “It helps to create this sense of being overwhelmed and like ‘they’re both terrible and I’m tired of hearing about this’ [&#8230;] She has a ton of evidence we would not normally see in a case like this.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In today’s celebrity news and gossip battles, Reddit has become a campground for forces to assemble. There, the uneven divide between the pro-Lively and pro-Baldoni camps is measurable. The largest community for Lively’s camp has a little over 6,000 members. It’s surpassed in both membership and post frequency by the pro-Baldoni subreddits, one of which has 27,000 members.</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>For about two months, Hilton represented himself in court</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The pro-Baldoni subreddits have been known to house vaguely threatening material toward Lively supporters. For example, both Lively and Baldoni made attempts to pull the 24-year-old actress Isabela Ferrer, who plays the younger version of Lively’s <em>It Ends With Us </em>character in flashbacks, into their defense. In August, she filed <a href="https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.666.0.pdf">a motion</a> accusing Baldoni and his counsel of using their subpoena as a form of harassment, putting a target for online harassment on her back, and citing at least one fake, AI-generated case in legal arguments. (The following month, <a href="https://people.com/man-arrested-at-travis-kelce-home-after-serving-taylor-swift-deposition-papers-justin-baldoni-11815803">a man was arrested</a> for allegedly jumping Travis Kelce’s fence in the middle of the night to try and serve Swift deposition papers from Baldoni.)</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The top post on the largest pro-Baldoni subreddit about Ferrer the day she filed her motion was a screenshot of alleged texts between her and Baldoni that he had included in his original complaint against Lively. The texts show Ferrer thanking and praising Baldoni before and after shooting wrapped. The Reddit post mocked Ferrer’s texts and, dripping with contempt, said to “believe women.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“She will be reading her text messages to a jury and re-watching the videos where she praises Justin Baldoni,” the post continued. “See you soon, Isabela! 🙂 x (I added a smiley face and kiss because Isabela Ferrer likes adding smiley faces and kisses to her messages 😙😁).”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">At the beginning of the summer, Hilton created a new Reddit account and began posting regularly in at least six pro-Baldoni and anti-Lively subreddits, including the largest one as well as a subreddit with only 60 members described as a “less regulated” group in support of Baldoni. Apart from Hilton, the only other user who has posted in it is one who wrote, “This might sound unrelated, but if the CIA really is controlling Wikipedia, it would explain a lot.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Hilton has posted regular megathreads across different one-sided <em>Lively v. Baldoni </em>subreddits to promote his latest filings, video updates, and more; his Reddit posts would <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1mi1wdl/blake_lively_just_lied_to_the_judge_about_me_plus/">be cited</a> almost immediately in a filing from Lively’s counsel. He used the platform to encourage his supporters and members of the media to come to his court hearings to see him face off against Lively’s lawyers. “I am feeling cautiously optimistic,” he ended one round of Reddit posts. “I truly do believe the law is on my side here!”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">For about two months, Hilton represented himself in court. His YouTube titles reflected a rollercoaster of emotions with each new filing: “Blake Lively Effed Up Against Me! Mistake In Her Nevada Response!” “I Poked The Bear! Daring Blake Lively’s Judge In New York To Come For Me!” “OMFG!!!!! I Just Scored a HUGE Victory In Court Against Blake Lively!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” “I Am Very Unwell! This Blake Lively Drama Just Took A Bad Turn For Me!!” “Blake Lively Has Pushed Me Past The Breaking Point!” “I Need A Lawyer To Fight Blake Lively! Can U Help?”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Then in September, Hilton appeared victorious in a green-screen video. The thumbnail contained yet another edited picture of him and Lively in court — a dramatic meeting that never occurred because Lively withdrew her subpoena for Hilton’s communications. He opened the update by shrieking with glee for nearly ten seconds straight. A local lawyer had connected Hilton with the ACLU of Nevada, where he lives, and the group had offered to represent him. According to Hilton, after his new lawyer reached out to Lively’s, she backed off the next day. In the motion to withdraw, Lively’s lawyers stated that they had received the information they needed from Baldoni’s production company itself.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I’m also a journalist, a world-renowned celebrity reporter, a podcaster, and somebody who can now say they took on some of the biggest, most expensive lawyers in law firms across the country,” Hilton said, punctuated with screams. “And I beat them, and her.” <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKhDiY-1AzI">His video</a> cleared 129,000 views, a top performer for the summer. Hilton thanked his lawyers, his viewers, and ChatGPT.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The question of whether Hilton could have used reporter’s privilege to shield his communications was left unanswered, but only for the time being. Later that month, Hilton posted another YouTube video with the title “Kim Kardashian And Kris Jenner Threatened Me With Legal Action!” In it, he read a letter from their high-powered attorney, Alex Spiro.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“On behalf of the Kardashian-Jenners, Alex Spiro is threatening the media. Trying to scare them. Intimidate them,” Hilton said. “Will it work with me? I mean, I’m making this video.”</p>
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