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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[‘All chaos and panic’: Nilay answers your burning Decoder questions]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Welcome to our end-of-year Decoder special! Senior producers Kate Cox and Nick Statt here. We’ve had a big year, including nearly 100 episodes, a new YouTube channel, an ad-free podcast feed, and a slate of great guest hosts while Nilay was on parental leave. It’s been a lot. We’ve also had a lot of great [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-drop-cap has-text-align-none">Welcome to our end-of-year <em>Decoder</em> special! Senior producers Kate Cox and Nick Statt here. We’ve had a big year, including nearly 100 episodes, a new YouTube channel, an ad-free podcast feed, and a slate of great guest hosts while Nilay was on parental leave. It’s been a lot. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">We’ve also had a lot of great questions and comments this year from you, our audience. It’s now an annual tradition for us to turn the tables on Nilay for our final episode of the year, so we pulled together all the feedback we’ve received on topics like CarPlay, Monday episode guest suggestions, and — of course — AI. We also received a lot of great questions over the last few weeks asking about how <em>Decoder</em> is put together, what topics we should focus on in the future, and how we think about the format and structure of the show itself.</p>

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<p><em>Verge</em> subscribers, don&#8217;t forget you get exclusive access to ad-free <em>Decoder</em> wherever you get your podcasts. Head <a href="https://www.theverge.com/account/podcasts">here</a>. Not a subscriber? You can <a href="https://www.theverge.com/subscribe">sign up here</a>. </p>
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<p class="has-text-align-none">So today, we welcomed <em>Nilay</em> to <em>Decoder</em>, to grill <em>him</em> on all these questions and more and also to get his thoughts on the past 12 months: What he’s liked, what he wants to improve, and how he’s making decisions for <em>Decoder </em>in the new year.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">When we did this <a href="https://www.theverge.com/24325789/decoder-mailbag-2024-answering-questions-feedback-youtube-spotify-podcast">last year</a>, our top two most frequently asked questions were very straightforward. First: Why isn’t <em>Decoder </em>on YouTube? Thankfully, we fixed that one. We launched <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@decoderpod">the <em>Decoder</em> YouTube channel</a> in October, and we now publish full video episodes every week, starting with our classic Monday interview format. We also got asked a lot about an ad-free podcast option last year, and we’re happy to say that also since October, <em>Verge</em> subscribers <a href="https://www.theverge.com/bulletin/795051/verge-podcast-ad-free-set-up-how-to">now have access to</a> ad-free audio feeds.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">We’ve received some feedback about making our Thursday explainer episodes full video, too. Trust us — we’re working on it. It’s a little more complicated and resource-intensive, and so it’s going to take some time to iron out the kinks. Beyond that, we’re very excited to experiment more with format, video, and even live production in 2026. (Come join us live at CES on January 7, at the Brooklyn Bowl!)</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none">If you’d like to check out some of the past <em>Decoder </em>episodes and news stories we talked about in this episode, check out the links below. Happy New Year, and thanks for listening! We’ll be back with all new episodes in mid-January.</p>

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<li>Answering your biggest Decoder questions, 2024 edition | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/24325789/decoder-mailbag-2024-answering-questions-feedback-youtube-spotify-podcast"><em>Decoder</em></a></li>



<li>The DoorDash Problem | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/podcast/823909/the-doordash-problem-ai-agents-web-amazon-perplexity-lawsuit"><em>Decoder</em></a></li>



<li>How decision-making will change when AI answers are cheap and (too) easy | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/decoder-podcast-with-nilay-patel/703269/cassie-kozyrkov-interview-ai-google-decision-scientist"><em>Decoder</em></a></li>



<li>Why GM will give you Gemini — but not CarPlay | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/podcast/803379/gm-ceo-mary-barra-sterling-anderson-cadillac-iq-ev-autonomy-interview"><em>Decoder</em></a></li>



<li>Rivian CEO: ‘We’re really convicted’ about skipping CarPlay | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/podcast/790685/rivian-ceo-rj-scaringe-r2-tariffs-china-ev-apple-carplay"><em>Decoder</em></a></li>



<li>How SharkNinja took over the home, with CEO Mark Barrocas | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/decoder-podcast-with-nilay-patel/695613/sharkninja-ceo-mark-barrocas-interview-flexflame-grill-home-appliance"><em>Decoder</em></a></li>



<li>Why Tubi CEO Anjali Sud thinks free TV can win again | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/24178580/tubi-ceo-free-tv-streaming-ads-decoder-podcast-interview"><em>Decoder</em></a></li>



<li>Disney accuses Google of ‘massive’ copyright infringement following deal with OpenAI | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/842573/disney-google-copyright-infringement-cease-and-desist"><em>The Verge</em></a></li>
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<p class="has-text-align-none"><em><sub>Questions or comments about this episode? Hit us up at decoder@theverge.com. We really do read every email!</sub></em></p>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Welcome to a special episode of Decoder! We&#8217;re Nick and Kate, the show&#8217;s producers, and for this year-end episode, we&#8217;re turning the tables on Nilay and making him answer your listener questions. We&#8217;ve had a really busy 12 months. We interviewed a lot of people, and published more shows this year than in any past [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p>Welcome to a special episode of <em>Decoder</em>! We&rsquo;re Nick and Kate, the show&rsquo;s producers, and for this year-end episode, we&rsquo;re turning the tables on Nilay and making him answer your listener questions.</p>

<p>We&rsquo;ve had a really busy 12 months. We interviewed <a href="https://www.theverge.com/decoder-podcast-with-nilay-patel">a lot of people</a>, and published more shows this year than in any past year thanks to our second episode, which we launched in February. It&rsquo;s been a lot of work &mdash; and a lot of fun. So we wanted to take a moment to look back on some of our favorite themes of the year,&nbsp;address some common listener feedback, and also talk a bit about what&rsquo;s next.&nbsp;</p>
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<p>We thought the best way to do this would be to grill Nilay with a bunch of <em>your </em>questions. So on this episode, Nilay is the <em>Decoder</em> guest. We asked listeners what they&rsquo;ve wanted to ask the team, and we also have a huge collection of emails from the past year &mdash; yes, we really do read all of them &mdash; and we pulled some of our favorites.</p>

<p>That includes, of course, our most-asked listener questions of all: Why is <em>Decoder </em>not on YouTube Music, and why aren&rsquo;t full video versions of <em>Decoder </em>episodes on YouTube? Don&rsquo;t worry &mdash; we get into all that and more.</p>

<p>If you&rsquo;d like to check out some of the past <em>Decoder </em>episodes and news stories we talked about in this episode, check out the links below. Happy New Year! Thanks for listening; we&rsquo;ll be back with all new episodes in mid-January.</p>
<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>Here we go: The Verge now has a subscription | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/3/24306571/verge-subscription-launch-fewer-ads-unlimited-access-full-text-rss">The Verge</a></li><li>How The Verge Works | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/10/24317808/future-of-media-verge-subscription-podcasts-vergecast">The Vergecast</a></li><li>Intuit asked us to delete part of this Decoder episode | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/21/24273820/intuit-ceo-sasan-goodarzi-turbotax-irs-quickbooks-ai-software-decoder-interview">Decoder</a></li><li>What’s really behind Big Tech’s return-to-office mandates? | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/24290345/return-to-office-mandates-amazon-productivity-remote-work-hybrid-decoder-podcast">Decoder</a></li><li>Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn’t thinking too far ahead | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/24260181/rabbit-r1-large-action-model-lam-playground-generative-ai-jesse-lyu-interview-users">Decoder</a></li><li>UiPath CEO Daniel Dines thinks automation can fight the great resignation | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/10/23064020/uipath-ceo-daniel-dines-automation-rpa-great-resignation-ukraine">Decoder</a></li><li>Transparent Vice | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/24094310/vice-media-layoffs-bankruptcy-shane-smith">The Verge</a></li><li>Palmer Luckey, American Vulcan | <a href="https://www.tabletmag.com/feature/american-vulcan-palmer-luckey-anduril">Tablet</a> </li><li>A revolution in how robots learn | <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/12/02/a-revolution-in-how-robots-learn">The New Yorker</a></li></ul>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[A cookbook helped me understand Dragon Age’s origins]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Food and culture are inseparable. Here in the US that&#8217;s perhaps more noticeable during this week than at any other time of the year, as tens of millions of us plan to break bread together in observance of Thanksgiving. But I&#8217;ve spent most of a decade considering it in the context of a culture that [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p>Food and culture are inseparable. Here in the US that&rsquo;s perhaps more noticeable during this week than at any other time of the year, as tens of millions of us plan to break bread together in observance of Thanksgiving. But I&rsquo;ve spent most of a decade considering it in the context of a culture that doesn&rsquo;t actually exist: Thedas, the setting of BioWare&rsquo;s <em>Dragon Age</em> franchise.</p>

<p>I&rsquo;ve been part of a devoted <a href="https://www.polygon.com/2016/7/29/12311936/dragon-age-tabletop-rpg"><em>Dragon Age</em> tabletop campaign</a> since 2015. Our group has spent days on Discord discussing ultimately made-up questions that still echo real life. Where does rice come from? (Antiva, because it&rsquo;s <a href="https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Thedas?file=Worldofthedasmap.jpg">far enough north</a> to have the tropical mix of wet and dry seasons you need to grow it.) Can you have lemonade in Denerim? (Yes, but the lemons are imported from Rivain, which is temperate enough to grow citrus and friendly enough to trade with, and it&rsquo;s sweetened with honey, not sugar.) How expensive is chocolate? (Very &mdash; the most suitable climates for growing cocoa beans are in semi-hostile Tevinter or Qunari territory.)</p>

<p>This isn&rsquo;t just nerdy pedantry. Food is how we come together, but it is also where we find our differences. Food traditions speak our stories to one another. Does your Thanksgiving table have squash on it? What about ham, macaroni and cheese, or tamales? Is your turkey brined, deep-fried, or made of tofu?&nbsp;</p>

<p>If you want to make an imagined world feel real, you need to think about its food.&nbsp;</p>

<p>BioWare, too, has now given some detailed thought to these questions, in an <a href="https://a.co/d/8tjvJJG">official Dragon Age cookbook</a>. The book, which hit store shelves in October, is full of the kind of recipes you might expect from a franchise tie-in, featuring a mix of foods that are directly mentioned in the video games together with foods that feel like they might as well be.&nbsp;</p>
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<p>But it&rsquo;s not <em>Dragon Age</em> without a strong narrative through-line. To that end, the book is narrated by a new character, Devon, who features both in an introduction as well as in all the blurbs heading up each recipe. Devon is the child of Nan, <a href="https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Nan">a minor character</a> from the human noble origin in <em>Dragon Age: Origins</em> who worked as Castle Cousland&rsquo;s cook. Devon travels Thedas, following in the footsteps of the games&rsquo; heroes and villains and eating their way around the world.&nbsp;</p>

<p>&ldquo;Food is a very interesting way of establishing details about a world, and in a very subtle way,&rdquo; the author behind Devon, Jessie Hassett, said in a phone interview. &ldquo;A particular dish that you choose to include in your fantasy world can say a lot about that world.&rdquo;</p>

<p>Writing the blurbs was like having an opportunity to write &ldquo;canon fanfiction,&rdquo; Hassett said, and that meant staying true to characters and cultures that have shown up in the games so far.&nbsp;</p>

<p>&ldquo;You really have to put yourself into this mindset of: Okay, I&rsquo;m this character in the world of Thedas,&rdquo; Hassett said. &ldquo;How do I perceive all these various things, and then how do I communicate that in a way that feels like the character&rsquo;s voice?&rdquo;</p>

<p>Many of the peoples of Thedas admittedly derive from well-worn Europe-centered fantasy tropes &mdash; you have your fantasy England, your fantasy France your fantasy Roman Empire, your underground dwarves, and so on. In the 14 years (yes, really) since <em>Dragon Age: Origins</em> was released, both developer BioWare and a deeply passionate fan community have worked to slowly branch out from the franchise&rsquo;s initial faux-medieval English stomping grounds to make each culture feel lived-in, distinct, and whole. The cookbook continues this trend, expanding at least into other parts of European and Mediterranean cuisine with dishes such as paella, lentils, and couscous. (Although the cookbook features tomatoes, the powers of Thedas have not yet ventured across the Amaranthine Ocean to see if there is a continent on the other side, and so they must be a local fruit.)</p>

<p>The dwarves of Orzammar, for example, live firmly underground; the games repeatedly reinforce that to see the sky is taboo. The overwhelming majority of fruits and vegetables they consume, therefore, must come from trade with the surface. That, in turn, would make them highly expensive, visible indicators of class and status. So when writing a description for the &ldquo;Dwarven Plum Jam&rdquo; recipe, Hassett described the price of importing jam to Orzammar as &ldquo;eye-watering,&rdquo; and invented an enterprising merchant trying to import its ingredients instead.&nbsp;</p>
<img src="https://platform.theverge.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25106168/Nug_Pancakes.jpg?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,0,100,100" alt="A stack of savory pancakes with pulled pork between each layer, and a crossbow bolt protruding from the stack." title="A stack of savory pancakes with pulled pork between each layer, and a crossbow bolt protruding from the stack." data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="Nug in our world is less an “unholy alliance of pork and hare” and more “pulled barbecue pork.” | Insight Editions/BioWare" data-portal-copyright="Insight Editions/BioWare" />
<p>The dwarves of Thedas would of course also have access to ingredients that we in the real world do not, such as a recipe for &ldquo;Fried Young Giant Spider.&rdquo; We happily have a dearth of six-foot-tall spiders in the real world, and so Devon writes that since sourcing spider legs aboveground is &ldquo;not nearly so easy,&rdquo; the recipe works with king crab as well. Another underground favorite, nug, is described in the games as tasting like &ldquo;an unholy union of pork and hare,&rdquo; making Devon&rsquo;s two substitutions of pork for nug meat fairly straightforward.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Dwarven culture in <em>Dragon Age</em> has a highly competitive streak, and so Hassett fleshed out the world and the spider leg recipe by inventing a fierce dipping sauce competition. It follows that those who come up with the most desired sauces would guard their recipes jealously against &ldquo;many a nefarious plot to acquire them,&rdquo; as Devon puts it.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Hassett described the sauce wars as one of her favorite parts of the book. &ldquo;Spider dipping sauce is serious business,&rdquo; she said.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Orlais, Thedas&rsquo; France analog, is all about that kind of conspicuous consumption. An entire main plot quest in <em>Dragon Age: Inquisition</em> &mdash; still the most recent game in the series, while fans <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/27/21404442/dragon-age-4-behind-the-scenes-bts-bioware">impatiently wait</a> for <em>Dreadwolf</em> &mdash; revolves around maintaining the good opinion of courtiers at a fancy ball, while your spymaster observes whose clothes are too expensive for their station.</p>

<p>Much like our real France, Orlais is a wonderful country for growing grapes and making cheese&hellip; but not a place you&rsquo;d be able to sustain a cacao crop. &ldquo;And yet,&rdquo; Hassett observed, &ldquo;there are a lot of Orlesian recipes that have chocolate.&rdquo; Why? Because all those nobles are showing off. &ldquo;Orlais is all about appearances. You have The Game, especially among the nobles &mdash; it&rsquo;s all about displaying your wealth, your power.&rdquo;</p>
<img src="https://platform.theverge.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25105167/236933_Dragon_Age_Cookbook_KCox_0001.jpg?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,0,100,100" alt="A pile of biscotti-like pastries sitting on a plate in front of a map of Thedas and a pair of wooden candlesticks." title="A pile of biscotti-like pastries sitting on a plate in front of a map of Thedas and a pair of wooden candlesticks." data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="Varric’s Favorite Pastries are crumbly and delicious. | Photo by Kate Cox / The Verge" data-portal-copyright="Photo by Kate Cox / The Verge" />
<p>In the end, of course, any cookbook is only as good as its recipes, so I flipped to &ldquo;Varric&rsquo;s Favorite Pastries&rdquo; and got baking.</p>

<p>I am happy to report that Varric has good taste. His favorite pastries are sweetly almond-flavored, like a fractionally chewier biscotti, and are not particularly difficult or time-consuming for a home baker. I will definitely be making them again, especially since both my children think I haven&rsquo;t noticed them sneaking some from the container.</p>

<p>As for the other Varric-themed recipe in the book, &ldquo;Varric&rsquo;s Favorite Cinnamon Rolls,&rdquo;&nbsp; there was only one thing to ask Hassett:</p>

<p>&ldquo;That&rsquo;s Merrill, right?&rdquo;</p>

<p>&ldquo;Oh, yes,&rdquo; she said. &ldquo;I agree.&rdquo;</p>

<p class="has-end-mark">Alas, the book inexplicably does not include a recipe for either Sera&rsquo;s loathed cookies or Sten&rsquo;s favorite ones, but it has still added food for thought to my group&rsquo;s endless friendly dickering over agriculture and trade routes. Did our characters learn to eat shellfish on their long journey from Denerim to Hasmal? What food will we be able to find when we end up in the deserts of the Silent Plains? And perhaps most importantly: when we end up in Orzammar in our next season, how many favors will our tight-fisted GM allow us to buy with all the jam we&rsquo;re now going to carry in?</p>
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