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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[RFK Jr.’s plan to put ‘AI’ in everything is a disaster]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[In a 92-minute interview with Tucker Carlson on Monday, RFK Jr. drilled down on his vision for the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). Artificial intelligence — arguably, a uselessly vague umbrella term — came up multiple times. (As did conspiracy theories and disinformation on vaccines and autism, the medical establishment, and covid-19 [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none">In a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_fzlwxJZAA">92-minute interview</a> with Tucker Carlson on Monday, RFK Jr. drilled down on his vision for the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). Artificial intelligence — arguably, <a href="https://www.theverge.com/24201441/ai-terminology-explained-humans">a uselessly vague umbrella term</a> — came up multiple times. (As did conspiracy theories and disinformation on vaccines and autism, the medical establishment, and covid-19 deaths.) </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">As the head of HHS, Kennedy said his federal department is undergoing an “AI revolution.” He implored viewers to “stop trusting the experts,” as highlighted by <a href="https://gizmodo.com/rfk-jr-says-ai-will-approve-new-drugs-at-fda-very-very-quickly-2000622778"><em>Gizmodo</em></a>, and, presumably, put their trust into AI instead of decades of scientific consensus.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">He referenced that AI tools were being used to “detect waste, abuse, and fraud” across the federal government — the tagline for Elon Musk’s <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/656704/the-doge-days-have-just-begun">misguided and disastrous DOGE initiative</a> that’s already led to a scramble to rehire hundreds of wrongfully cut CDC employees. Kennedy also vaguely declared that the CDC will be using AI to “look at the mega data that we have and be able to make really good decisions about interventions,” demonstrating how flimsy his grasp of AI is.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Kennedy said that AI will rapidly accelerate the drug approval process at the FDA, implying it will fully replace animal testing. This is not entirely new, echoing <a href="https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-announces-plan-phase-out-animal-testing-requirement-monoclonal-antibodies-and-other-drugs">an April announcement</a> from Kennedy’s Food and Drug Administration that the agency will be phasing out animal testing for some pharmaceuticals in favor of “AI-based computational models” and other countries’ safety data. That agency-level change followed the 2022 passage the FDA Modernization Act 2.0 under President Joe Biden, which <a href="https://gizmodo.com/fda-no-longer-require-animal-testing-drugs-1849980249">repealed requirements</a> for all new drugs to undergo animal testing.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">There is a lot of ongoing research into the potential for alternate approaches like organ-on-chip systems, organoid cultures, and AI models to supplement or reduce the amount of animal testing used in drug development. And computer modeling has long been a part of pharmaceutical evaluation. However, it’s likely premature to claim that AI can wholly eliminate the need for animal models. “There is currently no full replacement for animal models in biomedical research and drug development,” wrote the National Association for Biomedical Research in <a href="https://www.nabr.org/about-nabr/news/nabr-statement-fda-animal-testing">an April statement</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Even more concerning were Kennedy’s hints that the current Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), which is <a href="https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html">overseen by the CDC</a>, is set to be overhauled and outfitted with AI. (He previously <a href="https://www.statnews.com/2025/04/15/rfk-jr-remarks-vaccine-adverse-event-reporting-system-vaers-changes-indiana-maha/">suggested automating the system</a> in April.) VAERS is a first-line detection system for catching rare, previously undetected risks associated with vaccines that has often been <a href="https://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/VAERS_APPC_May_2023.pdf">misrepresented by anti-vaccine advocates</a>. AI drug testing may sound unsettling, but it would be conducted by external researchers and drug makers. Pharmaceutical companies are incentivized to not release dangerous products because they lose money when they harm people; Kennedy wouldn’t be so directly held to account.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Misinterpretation of VAERS data at the institutional level could sow further distrust in public health and give <a href="https://www.theverge.com/health/688503/rfk-jr-vaccines">Kennedy’s newly appointed vaccine advisory committee</a> ammunition to change vaccine recommendations, legitimize their fringe beliefs, and limit vaccine access.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Anyone can report to VAERS (and certain providers are required to report) anytime a person experiences any negative health event in the aftermath of a vaccination. A report to VAERS does <em>not </em>indicate causality. “There’s nothing about VAERS that allows us to determine whether a vaccine caused the reported adverse event,” says <a href="https://publichealth.jhu.edu/faculty/1954/kawsar-r-talaat">Kawsar Talaat</a>, an infectious disease physician and vaccine safety researcher at Johns Hopkins University. “People report things like anger after vaccination,” she says, for which there’s no biologically plausible mechanism relating back to immunization.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Even more serious events, like death following a vaccination, overwhelmingly bear out to be unrelated to the shot itself. “The thing about vaccines is they protect against preventable diseases, not everything else that occurs in life,” says <a href="https://www.chop.edu/doctors/offit-paul-a">Paul Offit</a>, a vaccine scientist, virologist, and professor of pediatrics at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yet even so, VAERS reports are followed up with CDC investigation through complementary programs like <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety-systems/vsd/index.html">Vaccine Safety Datalink</a> and the <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety-systems/hcp/cisa/index.html">Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment Project</a>. The system has worked since its establishment in 1986 to generate hypotheses for potential vaccine side effects and even to detect very rare vaccine risks. For instance, VAERS did successfully pick up the <a href="https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines">myocarditis associated with mRNA covid-19 vaccines</a>, which only showed up in about one per 30,000 doses, and the blood clotting associated with the Johnson &amp; Johnson covid-19 shot, which affected about one in 250,000 people, Offit notes. “You’re not going to pick that up pre-licensure, so I think VAERS works well,” he says.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“The problem is that anti-vaccine activists use it to mean that anything reported in that system is a real issue, which is obviously wrong,” he adds — echoing Talaat’s point that anyone can report anything.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It’s not clear how Kennedy plans to introduce AI into VAERS, but presumably he means to feed VAERS data into some sort of automated system for identifying alleged vaccine side effects and risks. Earlier this year, the top US vaccine regulator at the FDA was forced out over <a href="https://apnews.com/article/kennedy-rfk-vaccines-measles-fda-injury-marks-5eda3335bae9b8df88795c2d5e09ae69">his refusal to grant Kennedy unfettered access</a> to the VAERS database, out of fears he and his appointees would manipulate the data. Now, with little standing in his way, Kennedy seems poised to do just that.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">There is a reasonable argument to be made that the right set of machine learning algorithms or AI tools could streamline the review process for VAERS claims. But AI systems are only as good as their training and parameters. If you feed them faulty information, that’s what they’re going to regurgitate. If you build an AI system to validate your preexisting belief that vaccines are dangerous, that’s exactly what it will do.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Despite the genuine promise that some AI approaches have in health policy and medicine, experts routinely emphasize that we need to tread carefully in building, vetting, and adopting these technologies.<strong> </strong>Bias, privacy concerns, legal challenges, and user manipulation all remain major issues, according to <a href="https://apnews.com/article/kennedy-rfk-vaccines-measles-fda-injury-marks-5eda3335bae9b8df88795c2d5e09ae69">one 2024 review</a> of 120 studies of generative AI in medicine. (Not to mention hallucinations: In May, the “Make America Healthy Again Commission,” a presidential advisory committee chaired by Kennedy, released a likely AI-generated <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/29/well/maha-report-citations.html">report containing false citations</a> to studies that did not exist.)</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The key question here is if an AI vaccine risk-assessment system could be developed fairly and accurately under Kennedy’s leadership. Offit, at least, doesn’t think so. “Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is an anti-vaccine activist, a science denialist, and a conspiracy theorist,” he says. “He will do everything he can, as long as he is in this position, to make vaccines less available, less affordable, and more feared.”</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[RFK Jr. is coming for your vaccines]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Last November, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said that, as secretary of health and human services, he would not “take away anybody’s vaccines.” If you believed him, you were duped. The longtime anti-vaccine crusader remains intent on vilifying lifesaving immunizations and promoting the lie that the shots cause autism and all manner of other conditions. Maybe [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-drop-cap has-text-align-none">Last November, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said that, as secretary of health and human services, <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-win-rfk-jr-says-wont-take-away-anybodys-vaccines-rcna178955">he would not</a> “take away anybody’s vaccines.” If you <a href="https://www.cassidy.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/cassidy-delivers-floor-speech-in-support-of-rfk-jr-to-be-hhs-secretary/">believed him</a>, you were duped.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The longtime anti-vaccine crusader remains intent on vilifying lifesaving immunizations and promoting the lie that the shots cause autism and all manner of other conditions. Maybe it’s his long <a href="https://www.statnews.com/2025/01/31/rfk-jr-hhs-gardasil-litigation-fees-divest-son-wisner-baum/" data-type="link" data-id="https://www.statnews.com/2025/01/31/rfk-jr-hhs-gardasil-litigation-fees-divest-son-wisner-baum/">history</a> of <a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/01/22/nx-s1-5271582/rfk-hpv-vaccine-merck">profiting off vaccine controversy</a>, his convoluted <a href="https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/understanding-rfk-jr">distrust of germ theory</a>, or <a href="https://www.theverge.com/health/661362/rfk-jr-measles-autism">a eugenicist ideology</a>. But whatever his motivation, four months into Kennedy’s term leading the federal department that oversees the <a href="http://cdc.gov">CDC</a>, <a href="https://www.nih.gov/">NIH</a>, and <a href="https://www.fda.gov/">FDA</a>, he has made several policy changes, proclamations, and decisions that directly imperil Americans’ ability to access and afford routine vaccinations.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Most recently, in accordance with the larger trend of Donald Trump’s administration axing experienced, well-vetted advisors in favor of unqualified sycophants, Kennedy fired 17 people from the federal committee responsible for making vaccine recommendations. He replaced them almost entirely with close associates that echo his scientifically dubious and medically dangerous beliefs, or with those who seem to lack the relevant knowledge for the role. “Today, we are taking a bold step in restoring public trust by totally reconstituting the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices (ACIP). A clean sweep is necessary to reestablish public confidence in vaccine science,” he <a href="https://x.com/SecKennedy/status/1932192142748795114">wrote on X</a> — while acting to undermine medical experts’ trust in federal health agencies.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Physicians, epidemiologists, and public health advocates are disturbed by what’s unfolded so far and fear what’s yet to come. Some patients seeking covid vaccinations have <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/12/health/covid-vaccine-pregnant-women">now reportedly been turned away</a>, mobile vaccine clinics are being forced to restrict or end operations, and research that could have cured cancer and prevented HIV infections has lost its funding, setting science back decades. Moving forward, it’s unclear if routine childhood vaccinations will remain free to families, if pharma companies will continue to invest in vaccine development in the face of expensive new requirements, and if vaccination will remain a viable choice for many.&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“You go to a pediatrician’s office, you get four shots, you’re going to get hit with an $800 or $1,000 bill.”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">When Kennedy gutted the ACIP, the group of independent, unpaid experts tasked with making vaccine recommendations to the CDC, on June 9th, <a href="https://www.wsj.com/opinion/rfk-jr-hhs-moves-to-restore-public-trust-in-vaccines-45495112">he claimed</a> he was doing so because of “conflicts of interest” among the members. The committee has existed since 1964 and has never before been considered explicitly partisan, explains <a href="https://som.cuanschutz.edu/Profiles/Faculty/Profile/8599">Sean O’Leary</a>, a professor of pediatrics and infectious disease at the University of Colorado. “These are not political appointees,” he says. It is entirely “unprecedented,” a word O’Leary used repeatedly, that a new administration would fire all voting committee members.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Kennedy announced eight new ACIP members to replace the 17 who were fired just two days later, in <a href="https://x.com/SecKennedy/status/1932899858920120692">another post on X</a>. In every prior case, ACIP appointees have been nominated and evaluated in a transparent, rigorous process over the course of months and often years, says <a href="https://vivo.brown.edu/display/jnuzzo">Jennifer Nuzzo</a>, an epidemiologist and director of the Pandemic Center at Brown University. The 17 terminated members were initially selected for ACIP because of their qualifications and lack of compromising conflicts, she says. Kennedy’s new appointments weren’t. At least half of the new ACIP appointees are outspoken in their controversial or outright anti-vax views.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">ACIP’s decisions directly determine insurance and Medicaid coverage for vaccines. If this new group were to change federal immunization recommendations, then those shots could go from free to prohibitively expensive. Without proper federal support, many doctors’ offices might stop carrying certain vaccines altogether. In Kennedy’s announcement of his committee picks, he wrote that the group “will review safety and efficacy data for the current schedule,” signaling a major revision is to come.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The appointees include Vicky Pebsworth, a nurse who sits on the board of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), a group with a long history of <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2019/10/15/fdc01078-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html">advocating against vaccine requirements</a> in schools. NVIC is also known for <a href="https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/44/1/e96/6218921?login=false">promoting conspiracy theories</a> and spreading misinformation about vaccine risk, for instance, by presenting raw data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System without noting that <a href="https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/03/vaers-governments-vaccine-safety-database-critical/">these stats are unverified</a> and that many initially reported injuries and issues are not legitimately related to immunization.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">There’s also Robert Malone, previously an mRNA vaccine researcher and now a health influencer with a Substack who makes regular appearances on conservative talk shows, where he promotes claims like <a href="https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-824397015416">covid vaccines cause AIDS</a> and <a href="https://www.texastribune.org/2025/04/16/texas-measles-misinformation-vaccines/">lies about measles deaths</a>. Then there’s Martin Kulldorff, who has <a href="https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/i-disagree-with-an-article-called-vaccines-save-lives/">railed against childhood covid shots</a> and co-authored the Great Barrington Declaration in October 2020, which called for a “herd immunity” approach to covid, eschewing preventative measures. The declaration was roundly <a href="https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32153-X/fulltext">rejected as dangerous by dozens of epidemiologists</a>. Both Malone and Kulldorff have served as <a href="https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/rfk-jr-s-vaccine-panel-includes-paid-witnesses-against-merck">paid expert witnesses</a> against drugmaker Merck in vaccine-related trials.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Retsef Levi, an operations management professor at MIT, is also among those appointed. He has no direct science or medical background, <a href="https://x.com/RetsefL/status/1619945525670981632">and has claimed</a> — against scientific evidence — that mRNA shots are unsafe and ineffective. Two of the remaining appointees include an emergency room doctor and a psychiatrist and neuroscientist who studies the health impacts of dietary fat intake. Neither seems to have much experience in epidemiology, vaccine science, or infectious disease policy.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“You could think about it like taking the National Transportation Safety Board or even air traffic controllers, firing all of them, and replacing them with people who don&#8217;t really know what they&#8217;re doing, who don&#8217;t really believe in flying airplanes,” says O’Leary.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The changeover “meets my worst expectations,” says <a href="https://www.chop.edu/doctors/offit-paul-a">Paul Offit</a>, a vaccine scientist, virologist, and professor of pediatrics at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “ACIP has now taken a giant step backward.” Just one of the appointees appears fit to serve, in Offit’s view: Cody Meissner, a Dartmouth pediatrics professor who has been an ACIP member before. Yet, even in his prior time on ACIP, Meissner had a tendency to go against the grain and to promote fewer infectious disease interventions. He endorsed the Great Barrington Declaration and voted against covid vaccinations for children, notes Offit.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“My biggest fear is that what this is really about is preventing Americans from getting the vaccines they want,” says Nuzzo.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Immunizations recommended by ACIP, through the CDC childhood or adult vaccine schedules, <a href="https://www.kff.org/immunizations-covered-by-the-aca/">are required to be fully covered by private insurers</a>, as mandated by language in the 2010 Affordable Care Act. The Vaccines for Children (VCF) program, which covers the cost of immunizations for children who are uninsured, underinsured, Medicaid-eligible, or Native American, also bases its coverage on ACIP recommendations. Over half of all American children <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/pdfs/mm7333e1-H.pdf">qualify for the VFC program</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">If ACIP were to remove vaccines from the schedule, it’s very possible payers (including the VCF program) would stop covering them, all sources told <em>The Verge</em>. “Those recommendations determine who gets access to vaccines,” Nuzzo explains. A single vaccine dose can cost <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines-for-children/php/awardees/current-cdc-vaccine-price-list.html">well over $100, and then there’s service fees and costs for storage.</a> “You go to a pediatrician’s office, you get four shots, you’re going to get hit with an $800 or $1,000 bill,” says <a href="https://dean.sph.brown.edu/dean">Ashish Jha</a>, a physician and dean of public health at Brown University and former White House covid-19 response coordinator under Joe Biden. “Before we had certainty” routine immunizations would be free, says Jha. “Now we don’t.” If families can’t shell out, children will go unvaccinated. Some will get sick. Some will make others sick. Some will be disabled. Some killed. We could reenter a time where hospitals have to dedicate <a href="https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/history-disease-outbreaks-vaccine-timeline/polio">entire wings to polio wards</a>.  </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“My fear, and I don’t say this lightly — it’s devastating — is that this is going to cost lives. Children are going to suffer,” says O’Leary. Measles outbreaks corresponding to locally low vaccination rates are “just the canary in the coal mine,” he notes, because measles is especially contagious. Other diseases that are less easily spread but more often fatal, like <a href="https://www.nfid.org/infectious-disease/whooping-cough/">whooping cough</a>, <a href="https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/diphtheria">diphtheria</a>, and <a href="https://www.who.int/teams/health-product-policy-and-standards/standards-and-specifications/norms-and-standards/vaccine-standardization/pneumococcal-disease">pneumococcal infections</a>, would resurge too if vaccination rates fell.&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“There’s much more to come.”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Before the ACIP upheaval, Kennedy had already made it clear he wasn’t going to let science get in the way of HHS decision-making. At the end of May, he <a href="https://x.com/seckennedy/status/1927368440811008138?s=46&amp;t=kBbEX3mrEOJAU2F44vYIZQ">unilaterally altered CDC vaccination schedules</a> without consulting ACIP at all, and in direct contradiction to the <a href="https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/75/Supplement_2/S317/6611488?login=false">CDC’s own research</a>. He axed the existing recommendation that pregnant people receive covid-19 shots and also proclaimed that the vaccine was no longer recommended for children. In a slightly defiant move, the CDC kept the covid shot on the childhood immunization schedule, but shifted it from a clear recommendation to a decision to be made via “shared clinical decision making.” Yet even that small change left insurer and VFC program coverage for kids up in the air, O’Leary says. And pregnant people are facing new difficulties as they attempt to get vaccinated, says <a href="https://www.law.gwu.edu/richard-hughes-iv">Richard Hughes IV</a>, an attorney and vaccine law instructor at George Washington University. “I’ve already heard of confusion in the pharmacy setting over whether a pregnant person can or cannot access vaccines … and of a patient being turned away,” he tells <em>The Verge.&nbsp;</em></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Also in May, Kennedy announced that placebo-controlled clinical trials would be required for “all new vaccines,” including routinely updated shots like the covid immunization and potentially even the seasonal flu shot. But mandating annual placebo trials would be impractical, costing tens of millions of additional dollars from manufacturers every year, Hughes says. “It could discourage smaller manufacturers from making those investments,” meaning less effective, or simply far fewer, vaccines available in the future.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Plus, it’s roundly considered unethical to conduct a placebo trial for an intervention that is known to be safe and relatively effective in protecting against a dangerous illness. “You can’t knowingly give [a] placebo to somebody when you have a vaccine that works,” Offit says. “I can’t imagine any institutional review board would ever allow that to go through,” he adds. Just after the announcement, Moderna <a href="https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-withdraws-application-covid-flu-combination-vaccine-2025-05-21/">withdrew its application</a> for a combined flu and covid vaccine. Separately, HHS has canceled its own existing contracts, including with Moderna for the <a href="https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/hhs-cancels-funding-moderna-s-candidate-h5-avian-flu-and-pandemic-vaccines">development of a new bird flu vaccine</a>, leaving us less prepared for <a href="https://www.theverge.com/science/632605/forever-war-with-bird-flu">the next possible pandemic</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In the background, massive funding cuts implemented with no notice (most notably, the early termination of <a href="https://apnews.com/article/hhs-covid-pandemic-trump-cdc-309fedec9383dc4fdacba6e9ca2b5309">$11.4 billion in pandemic-era grants</a>) and waves of layoffs have left federal, state, and local agencies far less equipped to actually manage, administer, and deliver the public health initiatives they’re supposed to offer — including immunization programs, says <a href="https://www.naccho.org/about/leadership/lori-tremmel-freeman">Lori Tremmel Freeman</a>, CEO of the National Association of County and City Health Officials (NACCHO).&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Her organization is made up of more than 3,300 local health departments across the country, which overall receive about 50 percent of their funds from the federal government. NACCHO has been tracking the effects of funding cuts nationwide. Tremmel shared two spreadsheets with <em>The Verge, </em>each containing over 100 entries, cataloging resource losses at local health agencies and the outcomes. Many departments describe reductions in mobile or school vaccination programs and ending or cutting back on disease contact tracing and monitoring. Some specifically note that their ability to respond to measles outbreaks was hampered. It’s been “an abrupt and chaotic end” to many programs, Freeman says, and she expects it to get worse. “There’s much more to come,” she says. Unable to detect new outbreaks early, track ongoing ones, or provide people with accessible immunizations, disease will spread faster and farther. States can fill some gaps, but not all, and the local agencies tasked with containing illness will struggle to keep up.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><a href="https://taggs.hhs.gov/Content/Data/HHS_Grants_Terminated.pdf">Cuts at NIH</a> have additionally left ongoing vaccine research completely unfunded. Scientists are euthanizing lab animals and shutting down projects that have been in progress for years, says Nuzzo. So far, studies that have lost federal support include work <a href="https://www.science.org/content/article/devasting-nih-cancels-future-funding-plans-hiv-vaccine-consortia">to produce an HIV vaccine</a>, <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01150-8">cancer vaccine research</a>, and those related to examining public health communication and vaccine hesitancy.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><br>“It’s hard to say which will be more damaging: the destruction of funding for new vaccines or the destruction of funding for public health efforts to get vaccines delivered to patients,” says a recently terminated ACIP member and public health researcher who requested anonymity out of fear of reprisal from the government.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Vaccines are a lifesaving technology that’s shaped modern society. Immunizations prevented 32 million hospitalizations among US children born between 1994 and 2023. They’ve also saved hospitals, governments, and families trillions of dollars over just a couple of decades, according to <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7331a2.htm#contribAff">a 2024 CDC report</a>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“What we’re seeing is a broader dismantling of the vaccine infrastructure in our country that we have built up over 50 years — really in many ways since the early days of the polio vaccine. We have open, transparent discussions. We have recommendations. We have programs that get vaccines into peoples’ arms. All of that is very quickly being dismantled,” Jha says. “It’s going to take us years to rebuild.”</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Death is the policy]]></title>
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			<updated>2025-05-06T15:55:42-04:00</updated>
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<p class="has-drop-cap has-text-align-none">“Do your own research,” Robert F. Kennedy Jr. advised parents considering vaccination for their children during an 80-minute <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZofNzZ8UoPk">televised interview</a> with Dr. Phil last week. He offered the <a href="https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/article/support-for-doing-your-own-research-is-associated-with-covid-19-misperceptions-and-scientific-mistrust/">loaded directive</a> with some of his go-to antivax falsehoods: common shots are neurotoxic, the measles mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine is “leaky,” the MMR vaccine hasn’t been adequately tested. In the middle of a major U.S. measles outbreak, where three unvaccinated people have died — two of whom were children — Kennedy continues to downplay the virus and refuses to tell the truth about lifesaving vaccines.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The root system of his disinformation campaign is multibranching. In one of his own published books, Kennedy indicates that he <a href="https://arstechnica.com/health/2025/04/rfk-jr-s-anti-vaccine-stance-is-rooted-in-a-disbelief-in-germ-theory/">does not believe in germ theory</a>, instead subscribing to a version of the abandoned 19th century concept that the “miasma” is the source of disease. He <a href="https://www.statnews.com/2024/12/03/rfk-jr-maha-pay-vaccine-group-childrens-health-defense/">has historically profited</a> from <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-confirmation-robert-f-kennedy-merck/">his “vaccine skepticism.”</a> And then, there’s something else: the taproot that reaches deepest into the American psyche and is echoed across the Trump administration’s policies.<br><br>“It’s very, very difficult for measles to kill a healthy person,” Kennedy falsely said during a <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/health/measles-texas-kennedy-fox.html">March Fox Nation interview. </a>“We see a correlation between people who get hurt by measles and people who don’t have good nutrition or who don’t have a good exercise regime.” Coupled with <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrphEND-UQ">his disturbing statements on autism</a> and long-standing belief that vaccinations cause the condition, Kennedy is circling a dark idea: that the value of one’s life can be tabulated in accordance with diagnoses and preexisting conditions. Since his appointment as secretary of health and human services (HHS), he has pursued a brutal vision of American health that several experts liken to a sort of eugenics. Kennedy has made it clear that certain deaths are acceptable or even preferable to a world where every child is vaccinated.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“There’s a sort of Darwin-esque notion that only the fittest survive,” says <a href="https://www.chop.edu/doctors/offit-paul-a">Paul Offit</a>, a vaccine scientist, virologist, and professor of pediatrics at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “But these viruses can kill anybody, so that’s just wrong.” In the recent deaths, the <a href="https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2025-DON561#:~:text=In%20February%202025%2C%20an%20unvaccinated,reported%2035%20cases%20of%20measles.">first from measles</a> in a decade, no underlying medication conditions have been reported. Both of the Texas children were reportedly healthy before they contracted measles. They could have stayed that way.&nbsp;</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">A pivot in messaging</h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Measles was <a href="https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2025-DON561">declared eradicated</a> in the United States in 2000. There have been outbreaks since, but they’ve been contained quickly enough to avoid a return to endemic spread. In the recent past, <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/pdfs/mm6840e2-H.pdf">including in 2019</a> during the previous Trump administration, measles outbreaks have elicited vigorous state, local, and federal response. Extensive contact tracing helped keep track of exposures and new case clusters. Clear <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/pdfs/mm6819a4-H.pdf">public communication and education</a> for those living in impacted communities ensured they understood the disease and how to prevent it. Most critically, quick and targeted vaccination campaigns <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7272232/#:~:text=As%20a%20result%2C%20over%2032%2C000,subsided%20(3%2C%204).">helped stop the spread</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“There’s a sort of Darwin-esque notion that only the fittest survive… that’s just wrong”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">During the 2019 outbreak, as the confirmed case count neared 700, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and HHS secretary issued clear, firm, and unified statements that the MMR <a href="https://archive.cdc.gov/www_cdc_gov/media/releases/2019/s0424-highest-measles-cases-since-elimination.html">vaccine is safe</a> and <a href="https://us.pagefreezer.com/en-US/wa/browse/0a7f82bb-be6e-448a-ae11-373d22c37842?find-by-timestamp=2020-12-31T08:51:59Z&amp;url=https:%2F%2Fwww.hhs.gov%2Fabout%2Fnews%2F2019%2F04%2F24%2Fhhs-secretary-azar-statement-measles-outbreak-importance-vaccines.html&amp;timestamp=2020-12-31T03:43:02Z">urged everyone</a> to get vaccinated.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But 2025 is different. Elon Musk’s DOGE crew continues to slash the federal workforce, including CDC staff. Distrust in public health is high after the covid-19 pandemic. There is <a href="https://apnews.com/article/dave-weldon-cdc-director-9a3d061832e2f0f644f2c58fbae36965">no confirmed CDC director</a>. And Kennedy is using his largest, most influential platform yet to continue his longtime <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rfk-jr-samoa-measles-vaccine-crisis-rcna187787">crusade sowing vaccine skepticism — messaging that puts Americans, especially children, at risk of disease and death.&nbsp;</a></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Since January, there’ve been <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html">nearly 900 confirmed measles cases</a> — mostly children, <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html">according to data from</a> the CDC and administered by HHS. Local spread is ongoing in at least eight states. More than one in 10 people infected have been hospitalized.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">All of these statistics are likely undercounts, given how little on-the-ground monitoring and outbreak tracking there’s been, Offit says. Cases have been concentrated among insular Mennonite communities where people are less likely to seek medical attention or report illness than the general public, and the CDC is operating with <a href="https://apnews.com/article/trump-hhs-cdc-fda-nih-cms-layoffs-5aba829b829d9e1a0167c4a0d968aadb">a newly cut budget and staff</a>. “You’d like to think that hospitalizations and deaths would be clearly reported, but I think the CDC has limited resources right now in terms of surveillance on the ground, testing, and providing help to communities overwhelmed,” Offit says.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In a Fox News interview on March 11th, <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/video/6369907937112">Kennedy told Sean Hannity</a> that the MMR vaccine “does cause deaths every year. It causes all the illnesses that measles itself causes: encephalitis and blindness… people ought to be able to make that choice for themselves.” This is all<strong> </strong>patently false, <a href="https://www.statnews.com/2025/03/14/rfk-jr-measles-vaccine-death-claims-scientists-disagree/">according to many</a> science and health experts. There have been cases where powerful drugs were <a href="https://www.science.org/content/article/least-15-children-syria-die-measles-immunization-campaign">tragically and inadvertently</a> administered in place of <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50625680">or mixed with</a> the vaccine. But when given properly, to children who aren’t severely immunocompromised, “it’s a remarkably safe vaccine,” Offit says. “The MMR vaccine, to my knowledge, has never caused a fatality.” Measles, in contrast, kills up to <a href="https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2025-DON561">three in every 1,000</a> and leaves others severely ill. Even in mild cases, measles can trigger <a href="https://asm.org/articles/2019/may/measles-and-immune-amnesia">years of immunosuppression</a>.</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“It’ll clearly get worse.”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Kennedy has issued <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-measles-vaccine/">tepid statements</a> endorsing MMR vaccination, but all come muddled by his continued claims that the vaccine is ineffective or dangerous and that measles itself is <a href="https://www.texastribune.org/2025/04/29/texas-measles-robert-kennedy-autism/">no big deal</a>. In an <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2U0csKvqMY">April 8th interview</a> with CBS News, he said, “We encourage people to get the measles vaccine.” But in the same conversation he also said “we don’t know the risk of these products because they’re not safety tested,” and “the vaccine wanes very quickly.” Two more <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/health-secretary-rfk-jr-measles-vaccine-falsely-claims-wanes-rcna200636">false statements</a>. (The MMR vaccine has been extensively tested for safety and efficacy, we’ve used it for decades, and it <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/do-adults-need-a-measles-booster-an-epidemiologist-explains-who-is-immune">offers lifelong, 97 percent effective protection</a> against measles infections for almost everybody given the two-dose course). It also doesn’t contain “aborted fetus debris,” counter to <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lo34uvdm6u2l">yet another of</a> Kennedy’s inflammatory claims. The MMR vaccine and many others are <a href="https://www.chop.edu/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/vaccine-ingredients/fetal-tissues">manufactured using</a> the same fetal stem cell lines that have been relied on for decades. No administered vaccines contain any human cells — fetal or otherwise.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Meanwhile, the HHS attempts to spin Kennedy’s apparent views. “Secretary Kennedy is not anti-vaccine — he is pro-safety, pro-transparency, and pro-accountability,” HHS press secretary Emily Hilliard wrote to <em>The Verge</em> in a statement. “He believes Americans deserve radical transparency so they can make informed healthcare decisions,” the statement continued, while failing to provide the citations and scientific references in support of Kennedy’s claims that <em>The Verge</em> requested.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I think it’ll clearly get worse,” Offit says. MMR vaccination <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/pdfs/mm7345a4-H.pdf">saved an estimated 60 million lives</a> between 2000 and 2023, according to previous CDC research. Despite having the means to eliminate measles entirely, the exceptionally contagious virus could be poised to make a long-term comeback under Kennedy’s influence, Offit says, adding that he fears many more cases and child deaths are on the way.&nbsp;</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The quiet part, not so quiet</h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The underlying message of Kennedy’s campaign is that measles deaths are expected and admissible, because the people who don’t survive the disease were flawed anyway, says <a href="https://my.willamette.edu/people/appleman">Laura Appleman</a>, a professor of law at Willamette University in Oregon. Kennedy has talked up the “measles parties” of past decades — discounting that sometimes those parties proved deadly. “I think there’s a real subtext here saying that, ‘no, that’s ok, because in the old days the ones who survived were the strong ones,’” she adds.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Appleman has studied and written about the history of eugenics in the U.S., in the context of the criminal justice system, as well as that of <a href="https://dspace.loyno.edu/jspui/bitstream/123456789/151/1/Article%20-%20Spring%202021%20-%20Appleman.pdf">public health and the covid-19 pandemic</a>. The current rhetoric coming from Kennedy is an amplification of what’s long persisted in American culture and politics, she says. “I talk a lot about the long tail of eugenics [in the US]. And I think certainly, lately, the tail is not so hidden anymore.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“He’s pretty much coming out and saying these things,” Appleman says. “Who deserves to live and who is it okay to not mourn? And this is from someone who runs the HHS. This is profoundly disturbing.”</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“I think there’s a real subtext here saying that, ‘no, that’s ok, because in the old days the ones who survived were the strong ones.’”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">At the same time that Kennedy has brushed off measles deaths as the expected fate of unhealthy children, he has also <a href="https://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/factcheck-org-kennedy-cites-flawed-paper-in-bid-to-justify-vaccine-autism-link/">continued stoking</a> the <a href="https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/the-evidence-on-vaccines-and-autism">thoroughly debunked idea</a> that childhood vaccinations are linked to the rise in autism diagnoses. He has been publicly pushing junk science on vaccines and autism for at least 20 years (as evidenced by his now-retracted <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20060422012127/http:/www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/">2005 <em>Rolling Stone </em>article</a>). Most recently, Kennedy <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/27/health/rfk-jr-autism-vaccines.html">hired David Geier</a>, a notorious antivax crusader, to lead HHS research into the supposed connection. Geier has faced <a href="https://www.mbp.state.md.us/BPQAPP/orders/GeierOrder07.302.pdf">sanctions and a $10,000 fine</a> for practicing medicine without a license and — <a href="https://www.mbp.state.md.us/BPQAPP/orders/d2425008.222.pdf">alongside his father</a> — subjecting children to unproven “treatments” for autism.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Most scientists attribute the largest share of the rise in autism diagnoses to <a href="https://www.statnews.com/2023/03/23/autism-epidemic-cdc-numbers/">increased awareness and shifts in diagnostic criteria</a>. The initial 1998 paper suggesting an association between vaccines and autism was retracted in 2010 and the lead author, Andrew Wakefield, lost his medical license in disgrace over fraud and data manipulation. The supposed link between vaccines and autism has been thoroughly disproved in more than a dozen studies since, but<strong> </strong>Kennedy <a href="https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/dec/21/robert-f-kennedy-jrs-campaign-of-conspiracy-theori/">won’t let it go</a>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrphEND-UQ">a recent press conference</a>, Kennedy announced his intent to identify the cause of the “autism epidemic” by September. “I think what that means is he&#8217;s already figured it out,” Offit says. “He&#8217;s just going to try and shoehorn data into this hypothesis, which for him is non-falsifiable, immutable, and science resistant, which is that vaccines cause autism,” Offit adds.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">During the press conference, Kennedy asserted that autism “destroys” families and children. He said that children with autism, “will never pay taxes. They’ll never hold a job. They’ll never play baseball. They’ll never write a poem. They’ll never go out on a date. Many of them will never use a toilet unassisted.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“It doesn’t get much closer, that I can imagine, to ‘useless eaters’ than that,” says <a href="https://cancerbiologyprogram.med.wayne.edu/profile/dz8037">David Gorski</a>, a surgeon and oncologist at Wayne State University and prolific health blogger, who cofounded the website <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science-Based_Medicine"><em>Science-Based Medicine</em></a><em>. </em>“Useless eaters” was a phrase <a href="https://courses.washington.edu/intro2ds/Readings/Mostert%20Useless%20Eaters.pdf">coined by German eugenicists Karl Binding and Alfred Hoche</a> in a 1920 book that advocated for culling people with disabilities — which the Nazi regime would later use to justify mass murder.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Comparisons to Nazis are obviously loaded and liable to be overused. “Sometimes [I’m] accused of overreacting,” says Gorski. But he’s not alone in pointing out the parallels. Appleman also heard echoes of “useless eater” discourse in Kennedy’s speech. “I think that is what RFK is, if not saying specifically, I think he is signaling,” she says.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Autism exists on a spectrum. About <a href="https://autismsciencefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/CDC-Profound-Autism-Statistics_ASF-Copy.pdf">a quarter of people</a> diagnosed with autism have significant, lifelong need for support. Most others live, work, and function independently. Even if they didn’t, the level of assistance some people with autism require does not preclude a fulfilling life. “It’s, forgive me, crazy talk to say that people with any sort of disabilities have lives that are not worth living,” Appleman says.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It’s “a rhetoric that communicates lesser value,” says <a href="https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/law/faculty_and_staff/directory/fox_jacqueline.php">Jacqueline Fox</a>, a law professor at the University of South Carolina who focuses on health law and bioethics. “He described autistic people in a way that was shocking. First of all, it was wrong. And second of all, it [suggested] as though people who don’t do that laundry list of things have no worth.”&nbsp;</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The MAHA mindset</h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Shortly after the press conference, Jay Bhattacharya, newly appointed director of the National Institutes of Health, said his agency would be <a href="https://www.npr.org/2025/04/23/nx-s1-5372695/autism-nih-rfk-medical-records">compiling a massive database</a> of information on people with autism, combining federal data with private medical records and commercial data like smartwatch and insurance information. After significant public pushback and privacy and ethics concerns over the concept of an “autism registry,” HHS seemed to <a href="https://www.statnews.com/2025/04/24/no-new-autism-registry-hhs-says-contradicting-nih-director-jay-bhattacharya-claim/">walk the plan back</a>. However, Hilliard told <em>The Verge </em>that HHS still plans to create a “real-world data platform,” which “will link existing datasets to support research into causes of autism and insights into improved treatment strategies.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In response to questions about the autism press conference, the HHS press secretary Hilliard told <em>The Verge,</em> “Secretary Kennedy remains committed to working toward a society where people with autism have access to meaningful opportunities, appropriate supports, and the full respect and recognition they deserve. His statements emphasized the need for increased research into environmental factors contributing to the rise in autism diagnoses, not to stigmatize individuals with autism or their families.”<br><br>Yet Kennedy and other HHS officials have announced no new measures for supporting people living with autism. Instead, the Trump administration has proposed <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/people-with-disabilities-explain-how-medicaid-cuts-could-impact-their-lives#transcript">cutting $880 billion</a> from the Medicaid budget. “They never suggest the solution to [actually] make America healthy again: universal healthcare,” Gorski says. “In fact, they’re doing everything they can to chip away at what little social safety net we have.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Additionally proposed and already enacted cuts within HHS include eliminating the national suicide hotline’s <a href="https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/04/national-suicide-hotline-lgbtq-youth-cuts-rfk-jr-hhs/">program for LGBTQ youth</a>, ending programs focused on <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-hhs-layoffs-cdc-lead-poisoning/">preventing childhood lead poisoning</a>, eliminating <a href="https://hivhep.org/press-releases/statement-on-elimination-of-hhs-office-of-infectious-diseases-hiv-policy-other-hhs-staff-cuts/">domestic HIV prevention efforts and research</a>, and scrapping multiple measures for treating drug addiction and opioid overdoses, <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/04/25/us/trump-news#narcan-grants-cuts-kennedy">including grants for supplying emergency</a> responders with Narcan.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Altogether, the changes fit cleanly with the idea that certain lives aren’t worth investing in or protecting, Fox says. “All of these things could be explained through that lens,” she notes — the lens of acceptable death. Refracted through the looking glass, “a lot of things come into focus,” and the road to an America made “healthy again” looks treacherous.</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[We’ve entered a forever war with bird flu]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Avian influenza is “evolving in ways we haven’t seen before,” says Martha Nelson, a computational biologist and staff scientist researching pathogen evolution at the National Institutes of Health — one of many scientists who have been monitoring the global H5N1 outbreak. Bird flu “is adapting to mammals, and it continues to show new tricks,” Nelson [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none">Avian influenza is “evolving in ways we haven’t seen before,” says <a href="https://www.ceid.uga.edu/flu2024/2024/07/01/martha-nelsonadjunct-professorgeorgetown-university/">Martha Nelson</a>, a computational biologist and staff scientist researching pathogen evolution at the National Institutes of Health — one of many scientists who have been monitoring the global H5N1 outbreak. Bird flu “is adapting to mammals, and it continues to show new tricks,” Nelson tells <em>The Verge. </em>The virus is spreading widely in domestic and wild animals, while exact transmission routes remain unclear. Confirmed human cases are rising, particularly among farmworkers.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">More than <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/avian-timeline/2020s.html">two years into</a> the US outbreak, we’re stuck with H5N1 for the long haul. The risk that it mutates to spread readily from person to person and that we could find ourselves in the middle of another pandemic is entrenched. As the Trump administration hacks away at scientific institutions and rapid federal changes impede the flow of information, the threat looms especially large. To mitigate those chances, animal agriculture, wildlife management, trade policy, and even cat owners may have to adapt to manage the virus on multiple fronts — indefinitely.&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>It’s like “watching a train wreck in slow motion.”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), along with many virologists and epidemiologists outside the agency, continue to describe the threat that the virus poses to the public as low. Yet the likelihood of an H5N1 human pandemic “is growing,” says Nelson.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The vast majority of the 70 confirmed human cases in the US have been mild. But since last November, at least four people have been hospitalized with H5N1 in North America (three in the US and <a href="https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2415890">one in Canada</a>). In January, one person died in Louisiana after contracting the virus from a backyard poultry flock.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Until recently, Nelson and other bird flu experts held out hope that, with some basic interventions, the H5N1 outbreak among cows and poultry would burn itself out and that cases among wild animals might fade away, as they did during a <a href="https://www.aphis.usda.gov/media/document/2086/file">brief 2014-2015 outbreak</a>. But the latest events prove that isn’t likely. “It’s hard to imagine a scenario where it’s no longer a pandemic threat,” Nelson says.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Since the virus was first detected in cows in March 2024, almost 1,000 dairy herds have been infected. Despite that spread, scientists saw a silver lining: for nearly the whole year, all of those cases were infections of a viral genotype called B3.13, believed to have entered the cattle population from a <a href="https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.05.01.591751v1">single spillover event in Texas</a>, wherein a cow caught the virus from a wild bird. “We thought this was a one-off: one bird to one cow, and we wouldn’t see that again,” says <a href="https://ghi.wisc.edu/directory/peter-halfmann/">Peter Halfmann</a>, a virologist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison’s Influenza Research Institute.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yet the more severe human cases are concurrent with the spread of a recently mutated, potentially more dangerous version of the virus called the D1.1 genotype. D1.1. is now circulating among wild birds and poultry, and it has <a href="https://www.aphis.usda.gov/news/program-update/aphis-confirms-d11-genotype-dairy-cattle-nevada-0">spilled over</a> into dairy cows <a href="https://www.aphis.usda.gov/news/program-update/aphis-confirms-d11-genotype-dairy-cattle-nevada-0">at least twice</a> in 2025, according milk testing data from the Agriculture Department. With D1.1, Halfmann explains that the threshold for cross-species transfer is “much lower than we previously thought.”&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“There is absolutely no chance of containment, and we now have to think about mitigation and monitoring.”&nbsp;</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Bird flu infections have also been confirmed <a href="https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/mammals">among rats</a> and <a href="https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/usda-reports-more-h5n1-detections-mice-and-cats">mice</a> near farms. Many other wild mammals, including fox, deer, and skunks are <a href="https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/mammals">testing positive</a> for the virus, but rodents are a particular concern given their notorious propensity to infest human dwellings and act as vectors of disease, says <a href="https://publichealth.jhu.edu/faculty/3059/meghan-frost-davis">Meghan Davis</a>, an epidemiologist and veterinarian at Johns Hopkins University. “When you have one of these classic reservoir hosts with highly pathogenic avian influenza, it gives you pause,” she says. “If this host could set up to be a reservoir, what implications would that have for our control strategies?”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It’s not yet known if mice or rats transmit the virus onward or are simply dead ends. However, research into 2023 H5N1 outbreaks <a href="https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/30/4/23-1725_article">among marine mammals</a> and <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/spotlights/ferret-study-results.html?CDC_AAref_Val=https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/spotlights/2023-2024/ferret-study-results.htm">lab experiments in ferrets</a> suggest that H5N1 can spread from mammal to mammal in certain cases. And at least <a href="https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0817/13/9/764">one recent study</a> of rats found the virus replicates in their respiratory tract, priming the rodents to shed it.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The good news is that there’s still been no confirmed instances of human-to-human transmission, and no human case clusters without clear ties to farmwork. These two things would signal a significant uptick in pandemic risk, Nelson says, and there’s no guarantee either will occur.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The bad news is that there’s ample opportunity for H5N1 to make that leap, says <a href="https://med.emory.edu/departments/microbiology-immunology/research/labs/lakdawala/index.html">Seema Lakdawala</a>, an epidemiologist studying avian influenza at Emory University. According to her, with multiple species acting as wild reservoirs, eradication is effectively impossible. “I think it’s endemic,” she says. And a December 2024 study, published in <em>Science, </em>concluded that just <a href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt0180">a single mutation</a> could make the currently circulating H5N1 virus readily transmissible between humans. “What we’re allowing this virus to do is like 1,000 shots on goal,” Lakdawala says<em>.&nbsp;</em></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">H5N1 has been around for decades. The virus first evolved in waterfowl like ducks and geese, but it has long been transmissible among many other types of birds including seabirds and songbirds. It was initially isolated following an outbreak in Scottish chickens <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/avian-timeline/1880-1959.html">in 1959</a>. The first human infections and deaths occurred during a <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/avian-timeline/1960-1999.html">1997 outbreak</a> in Hong Kong. In the years since, public health authorities have contained periodic outbreaks as they’ve happened, and the worst case hasn’t materialized yet.&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“If you look at the last 80 years, we’ve never seen anything like this with H5.”&nbsp;</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Now, though, “we’re in a whole new ballgame,” says <a href="https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/michael-t-osterholm-phd-mph">Michael T. Osterholm</a>, an epidemiologist and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. “If you look at the last 80 years, we’ve never seen anything like this with H5.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><a href="https://www.michigan.gov/mdhhs/inside-mdhhs/executive-staff-bios/dr-natasha-bagdasarian">Natasha Bagdasarian</a>, an epidemiologist and the chief medical executive in Michigan, has been at the forefront of the state’s <a href="https://www.statnews.com/2024/06/12/h5n1-bird-flu-michigan-testing-more-animals-humans-than-other-states/">much-lauded multipronged response</a> to the H5N1 outbreak. Last spring, she was hopeful that the spread could be stamped out through thoughtful communication with farmworkers and disease-monitoring strategies in just a handful of states. Less than a year on, despite the fact that new cases in Michigan dairies have stalled, that optimism is gone. “At this point, I would say there is absolutely no chance of containment, and we now have to think about mitigation and monitoring.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">With a virus like rabies, wildlife managers will sometimes disperse an oral vaccine through food to control local outbreaks among animals. With H5N1, <a href="https://publichealth.jhu.edu/faculty/1972/andrew-stanley-pekosz">Andrew Pekosz</a>, a virologist at Johns Hopkins University, says that’s not a viable option. It’s in too many different species across too large of an area. Even if we had some readily dispersible bait that all of these animals were attracted to, there is no oral H5N1 vaccine to use. In lieu of that far-fetched hypothetical, Pekosz says mitigation means doubling down on reducing risk at the interfaces between wildlife, domestic animals, and humans.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Backyard poultry and pets — especially cats — are vulnerable to the virus and worrying potential transmission sources to the public, says Davis. Health officials have confirmed dozens of infections in domestic cats, most recently in <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/14/nyregion/pet-cats-bird-flu-new-york-city.html">New York City</a>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In February, the CDC published, <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/06/health/cdc-bird-flu-cats-people.html">deleted</a>, then <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/wr/mm7405a2.htm">rereleased an unsettling report</a> describing two instances where indoor cats in the households of dairy workers fell ill with bird flu. Out of five cats, three got sick and two died. Some people in the households, including those who had no direct exposure to farm animals or raw milk, also showed symptoms of illness. Despite layers of safety precautions, H5N1 found its way in and potentially spread from cow to human, human to cat, clothes to cat, cat to cat, or cat to human. The web of possible transmissions and infections remains unclear and unconfirmed.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Davis advocates for pets to be <a href="https://www.statnews.com/2025/03/04/h5n1-avian-flu-cats-transmission-pets-companion-animals-disease-surveillance/">included in viral surveillance</a> efforts. In the interim, <a href="https://www.popsci.com/health/how-to-protect-your-pets-from-bird-flu/">pet owners</a> should keep track of H5N1 reports in their area, be sure to always supervise pets outside, and avoid feeding animals raw milk or meat products. Those with backyard chickens or other fowl should implement hygiene measures, in <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/healthy-pets/about/backyard-poultry.html">accordance with federal</a> and local guidelines.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yet, for now, the biggest locus of prevention over the long term remains farms. Michigan and other states, like California — where the virus has hit about <a href="https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/AHFSS/Animal_Health/HPAI.html">70 percent</a> of dairies — should commit to increased and constant surveillance on farms, coupled with immediate interventions upon detection, Lakdawala says, adding, “But I think it’s going to be really hard. I don’t know if the farmers are ready for something like that.”</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“It’s going to be really hard. I don’t know if the farmers are ready for something like that.”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The USDA began <a href="https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2024/12/06/usda-announces-new-federal-order-begins-national-milk-testing-strategy-address-h5n1-dairy-herds">requiring states</a> to submit samples of raw milk for H5N1 testing last December, but that doesn’t identify individual infected cows or stop the virus from spreading among an entire herd or farm. To reduce overall human exposure to H5N1, and minimize the chances the virus makes a significant jump from cows to humans or spills back into wildlife, we need to be testing individual cows on affected farms, Lakdawala says. Such a regimen would also help scientists better understand the virus, offering a window into the number of sick cows and how the flu is spreading. The current prevailing belief is that most transmission between cows occurs via contaminated milking equipment, yet it’s important to monitor for evidence of other forms of spread, she explains, because that would mean a significant change in the virus and a rise in risk.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Biosecurity efforts on farms should also be ramped up and sustained, Pekosz says. The types of flock containment measures that have been deployed for poultry need to be strengthened and translated to dairy cattle, he explains. “For most of the poultry industry, there is no such thing as free-range chickens.” On many farms, birds are held in closed facilities, and all people and equipment entering undergo a disinfection process: changing clothes and sanitizing boots. “A cow isn’t a bird, but the same principles can be applied,” he says.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Many states have already advised or mandated farms to institute new biosecurity protocols, including sanitizing vehicles and equipment, preventing contact between wildlife and farmed animals, restricting animal transport, and recommending protective equipment like masks and face shields to workers. Yet major challenges remain, says Tim Boring, director of the Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural Development. “The prospect of completely segregating out wildlife from dairy farms would certainly be a daunting task,” he says, adding that it would also be an expensive one.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">More wildlife testing could help farms defray costs by catching new viral mutations and trends of local spread even earlier, Pekosz says. With sufficient wildlife monitoring, farmers could hold off on the most intensive defense strategies unless and until nearby wild animals test positive.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Though a wildlife vaccination campaign isn’t feasible, the USDA <em>is</em> investigating the use of avian flu vaccines in <a href="https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2025/02/26/usda-invests-1-billion-combat-avian-flu-and-reduce-egg-prices">poultry</a> and <a href="https://www.aphis.usda.gov/news/agency-announcements/usda-builds-actions-protect-livestock-public-health-h5n1-avian-influenza">cows</a>. Despite some countries already vaccinating poultry, the US has so far avoided the practice as many trade partners ban imports of vaccinated birds. Moving forward, global trade agreements will likely <a href="https://www.woah.org/en/avian-influenza-vaccination-why-it-should-not-be-a-barrier-to-safe-trade/">require renegotiation</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It’s a good sign that the US is seriously considering vaccines, Halfmann says, but he warns that any vaccination effort will require sustained investment to be effective. “We can’t have one season where we vaccinate and then stop. This is a long-term endeavor that we’re going to have to go through that’s going to cost money and require buy-in from farmers. It’s a lot of hurdles.”&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“It’s hard to imagine a scenario where it’s no longer a pandemic threat.”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">An animal vaccine would need to be regularly assessed and updated to keep pace with viral mutations, just like the seasonal human flu has historically been, he explains. Given that the Food and Drug Administration is now helmed by <a href="https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)02603-5/fulltext">prominent</a> <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00709-9">anti-vaxxer</a> Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and that the agency recently <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/26/us/politics/fda-flu-vaccine.html">canceled a meeting</a> for the seasonal flu vaccine selection process without explanation, Halfmann is skeptical that the federal government is up to the task.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">He’s not the only one. While the virus is evolving quickly, so are US regulatory agencies. Lakdawala says there are fewer updates on federal efforts around H5N1. Until recently, Davis participated in regular small group briefings with the CDC, where governmental and nongovernmental experts would share data and insights on the virus. Now, she says those meetings have completely stopped. “What’s been most concerning to me is the lack of communication,” she says. “The backbone of outbreak response is communication.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Without up-to-date information, virologists, epidemiologists, and state public health officials are left in the dark, with little to guide their science or policy. At the same time, research institutions are facing real and threatened major budget cuts and are enacting extensive layoffs.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“We are flirting with a massive global pandemic that could be equal to or greater than COVID-19,” Nelson says; yet, all the knowledge and tools we built during the pandemic aren’t being harnessed. It feels, she adds, like “watching a train wreck in slow motion.”</p>
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