Google’s Kravis particularly incisive question might make Sweeney look like he’s trying to have it both ways. Fortnite is a freemium game, Google is pointing out — meaning most of its players are subsidized by a smaller number of paying customers.

But that’s also how Google Play works as an app store, and how Google has been justifying its 30 percent fee (and, if we go meta, how Epic is likely funding this whole legal battle, since its PlayStation riches probably subsidize its Android and Apple legal fees.)

Kravis is taking a while to get around to this point, but we’re moving down that road — he just asked Sweeney how much it costs Epic to create the “V-Bucks” it sells players.