It just usually goes a lot better than it did with Substack’s Chris Best. For example, I really enjoyed this episode with Matt Mullenweg, who is the CEO of both Wordpress and Tumblr, which got pretty far down the path of where the rules should come from. Or here’s Jameel Jaffer, the executive director of the Knight First Amendment Institute, on how to properly regulate platforms. Maybe more than any podcast Decoder is the place to get all the way into the weeds of what various tradeoffs actually mean!