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Lauren Feiner

Lauren Feiner

Senior Policy Reporter

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    The law doesn’t say what TikTok thinks it does, Jackson says.

    Liberal Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson says that the law in question “doesn’t say, ‘TikTok, you can’t speak.’” What TikTok seems to want, she suggests, is access to ByteDance’s algorithm — but if TikTok came up with its own algorithm after divestiture, it could still operate.

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    “Any new TikTok would be a fundamentally different platform,” TikTok’s attorney says.

    In an exchange with Justice Barrett, Noel Francisco explains the two reasons why it’s not possible to disentangle from ByteDance: first, that it would take years to reconstruct a team that could maintain the source code, and second, that it would need to get users around the world to sign up for an essentially new platform to share content.

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    “If ByteDance divested TikTok, we wouldn’t be here,” Barrett says.

    Justice Barrett doesn’t seem to be buying that the law is a straightforward ban on TikTok. “You keep saying shut down,” she says to TikTok’s attorney about what would happen after January 19th. “The law doesn’t say that TikTok has to shut down.”

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    Congress may not have had to consider all possible alternatives to a ban, Sotomayor says.

    Liberal justice Sonia Sotomayor says that if the court believes only intermediate First Amendment scrutiny applies to the data protection concerns, then the government is only required to use “reasonable means” to address their interests.

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    Barrett calls back to NetChoice, asking about algorithmic recommendations.

    “Am I right that the algorithm is the speech here?” conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett asks. She says that Congress’ concern is “the covert content manipulation piece of the algorithm” and suggests that stems from China-based ByteDance’s speech. Barrett wrote in the court’s NetChoice case that foreign corporations don’t have First Amendment rights.

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    Alito suggests TikTok’s separation from China may be “contrived.”

    In a hypothetical, conservative Justice Samuel Alito says the court has never held that foreign governments have free speech rights in the US, and asks, “why would it all change if it were simply hidden under some sort of contrived corporate structure?” TikTok’s attorney says it’s because TikTok is a bona fide US company.

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    Creator Callie Goodwin says she’d have to shut down her business if TikTok is banned.

    Goodwin says she gets 98 percent of her business for her greeting card and gifts company through TikTok and couldn’t sustain it without the app. “Pivoting is not really an option at this point,” she says. After building a company and community on TikTok, “it’s gonna be a heck of a lot lonelier” if it’s banned.

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    TikTok creator Callie Goodwin awaits Supreme Court arguments over a bill that could ban the app.
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    “One thing is clear: it’s a burden on TikTok’s speech.”

    TikTok attorney Noel Francisco is making opening arguments on the livestream — stressing the First Amendment’s role in the case and the potential speech burdens for TikTok and its users. He’s arguing that TikTok’s speech is, in particular, its recommendation algorithm, which is the least likely piece to be approved for a sale by the Chinese government.

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    TikTok creator Sarah Baus is at the Supreme Court to make some noise.

    “If you want people to care, you’ve got to show that you care,” says South Carolina-based Baus. “It’s all about making noise.” Baus has been updating her nearly 800,000 TikTok followers along the way. “This isn’t just something small. This isn’t just something I’m brushing to the side. I’m fighting for them as well.”

    TikTok creator Sarah Baus in front of the US Capitol
    TikTok creator Sarah Baus waits in line for the Supreme Court oral arguments in a case that could result in the app being banned in the US.
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    What it will take for TikTok to survive in the US

    The Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in the case against the TikTok divest-or-ban bill on Friday, which will determine the future of the app in the US.

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