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    Microsoft has already considered skipping PlayStation for Activision content.

    “Have you had conversations at Microsoft about skipping PlayStation with Activision titles?” Phil Spencer is asked by the FTC.

    “I don’t remember a specific conversation, but it would seem like a normal conversation for us to have,” admits Spencer.

    These conversations were part of an evaluation of Activision Blizzard ahead of the proposed acquisition announcement. Microsoft measures the economic and strategic value of an acquisition.

    The FTC wants to know whether an asset could have a strategic value that outweighs the economics. So would Microsoft do something like make Activision games exclusive to Xbox as a strategic play, even if the economics might not make sense.

    “There isn’t a value on the strategic, its a strategic analysis, it’s more of a commentary on how this asset fits into the strategy that we have, there is no numeric value assigned,” says Spencer.

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    Moving on to Call of Duty now.

    The FTC is now questioning Phil Spencer about Call of Duty and negotiating deals with Activision for the Xbox Series S / X version for around the launch of that console in 2020.

    A document mentions the revenue split offered, and we heard yesterday that Activision wanted a better split to work on an Xbox Series S / X optimized version.

    The FTC is trying to establish the idea of Microsoft acquiring content so it doesn’t have to pay these fees and can have exclusive content. “If you own content you don’t have to pay for exclusive content?” asks the FTC.

    “We don’t pay for exclusivity on our own platform,” says Spencer. He does note that Sony apparently signs deals to keep third-party games off Xbox.

    “When a competitor is actively signing third-party games to skip our platform, it became more important to us to secure third-party games on our platform, inclusive of Call of Duty.”

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    Xbox needs triple-A content.

    The FTC is now questioning Phil Spencer about triple-A content.

    “It is your view that Microsoft needs a predictable cadence of triple-A content for services,” asks the FTC.

    “I think our customers need content that they know ship dates for to invest in our platform, yes,” says Spencer. He also agrees that Microsoft needs this type of content to drive acquisition of users for Xbox.

    The FTC is also pushing Spencer on how many triple-A games come out each year. Obviously those are a small portion in the overall market, as there are a lot more indie games.

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    Phil Spencer sees Sony as an aggressive competitor.

    “Do you view Sony as an aggressive competitor?” asks the FTC. “Sony is the market leader with a considerable capability and an aggressive competitor,” says Phil Spencer.

    “Every time we ship a game on PlayStation... Sony captures 30 percent of the revenue that we do on their platform and then they use that money among other revenue that they have to do things to try to reduce Xbox’s survival on the market,” says Spencer. “We try to compete, but as I said, over the last 20 years we’ve failed to do that effectively.”

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    We’re back and straight into console wars.

    “Do you think that microsoft gaming lost the console wars?” asks the FTC’s lawyer. Oh boy.

    “As the console wars is a social construct with the community, I would never want to count our community out, they’re big fans,” Spencer answered carefully. “If you look at our market share in the console space over the last 20 plus years, we’re in third place. We are behind Sony and Nintendo in console share globally.”

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    A brief break, so let’s recap.

    We are on a 15-minute break. So far the FTC has been grilling Xbox chief Phil Spencer over console market share. He admits that Xbox has been more competitive in the US with Sony than in Europe.

    We can’t see any of the documents being referenced in this questioning, but it’s all about Microsoft’s internal competition analysis and performance metrics.

    The FTC wants to prove that its “high performance” definition of the console market, just Xbox and PlayStation, is correct. Microsoft wants to include the Nintendo Switch, but the FTC argues its internal analysis doesn’t always compare against the Switch.

    We’ll be back soon to hear more about this as Microsoft and the FTC continue to disagree over the basics.

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    FTC wants to prove its ‘high performance’ relevant console market.

    The FTC is now asking Phil Spencer about a bunch of redacted documents related to market analysis and metrics that are shared with the Microsoft board. There’s a scorecard which includes four metrics for performance.

    The argument here is that Microsoft only compares Xbox against PlayStation internally, but that it’s trying to compare to Nintendo Switch with regulators to put itself in third place in the market. The FTC wants to prove that its “high performance” console market of the PS5 and Xbox Series S / X is the relevant market, not one that includes the Switch.

    Interestingly, one of the documents includes Microsoft’s Xbox Series S / X market share. That will almost certainly be redacted for public view, though.

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    Nintendo Switch, fps, and teraflops time.

    The FTC doesn’t think the Nintendo Switch should be counted in the market that the Xbox operates in. It has been a source of debate between Microsoft and the FTC and now the FTC is grilling Spencer about the Switch.

    “The Switch was designed for people to take on the go,” says Spencer. “It has a battery, it’s a mobile platform people can take it with them. Whereas the Gen 8 [Xbox One] consoles require that they’re plugged into the wall and don’t have a screen. Nintendo built a different platform.”

    But the FTC reads Spencer’s previous testimony back to him. “In terms of CPU and GPU it would be more akin to a Gen 8 device,” said Spencer previously.

    The questioning then moves on to how many fps the Xbox Series X / S consoles can support. Spencer says he doesn’t know the fps that Nintendo Switch support. Finally, he’s asked about GPU teraflops, as the FTC is once again trying to demonstrate the Nintendo Switch is different to the PS5 and Xbox Series S / X consoles.

    “Xbox X metric operates higher FLOPs than Switch?” asks the FTC lawyer. “That’s fair to say,” says Spencer.

    A photo of the standard Nintendo Switch
    Photo by James Bareham / The Verge
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    The Xbox echo-system.

    For some reason the FTC lawyer keeps calling the Xbox ecosystem the Xbox echo-system. But beyond that Phil Spencer is being questioned about revenue splits on Xbox between creators and Microsoft and those on PC.

    “We talk about Xbox ecosystem as the platform where creators build games for players to play,” says Spencer.

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    Xbox chief Phil Spencer is taking the stand.

    We’re back after the courtroom was briefly sealed. Microsoft Gaming CEO and head of Xbox Phil Spencer is in court and ready to discuss the $68.7 billion proposed acquisition of Activision Blizzard. Judging by the exhibit list that both the FTC and Microsoft have submitted it looks like Spencer is going to have a busy day.

    He’s come well prepared in a suit and tie, which is unusual attire for a gamer.

    We might be about to hear more around Microsoft’s xCloud strategy, how the company’s Activision Blizzard deal came to be, and some details around PlayStation publishing agreements.