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Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas – and other problems. Verge Editor-in-Chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policy makers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future. Subscribe here!

Apple’s OpenAI lawsuit is about who gets to define the post-smartphone era
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OpenAI can’t afford another lawsuit, especially not with a company like Apple.

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Dr. Jill Lepore on why AI backlash is vital for the future
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The Artificial State author explains how counting everything breaks society — and how college grads booing AI might save us all.

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‘No company is going to go to jail for you’: Proton’s CTO on balancing privacy, policy, and trust
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Bart Butler on encryption, child safety, and why there’s no such thing as a backdoor for only the good guys.

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Even Nvidia’s head of automotive fights with Nvidia for compute
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Xinzhou Wu on autonomy, Chinese cars, and if we really need lidar.

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Comcast is breaking up with NBCU. Why did it ever buy it in the first place?
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Business Insider’s Peter Kafka on the Comcast split, and why the dream of content plus pipes keeps failing.

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Inside the big business of the creator economy, with the agents making it happen
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Ali Berman and Raina Penchansky, the co-heads of UTA’s Creators division, on helping human creators in the age of AI.

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AI won’t save advertising, says Digitas’ Amy Lanzi
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The CEO of Digitas on why overpromising with AI is a dangerous path for marketers.

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Let him cook: How Weber Blackstone CEO Roger Dahle went from upstart to the biggest name in grilling
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After taking over Weber, Blackstone founder Roger Dahle’s new job is integrating his griddle empire with what used to be his biggest competitor.

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Watch New Things’ Joanna Stern interview Ford CEO Jim Farley on Decoder.

You might remember I took a break from Decoder last year — we had a baby, so I took some leave. In my place, we had an excellent slate of guest hosts, and we’ve been working hard to bring you those episodes in full video since we launched our official Decoder YouTube channel.

So today, we’re featuring a really great interview conducted last fall by my very good friend Joanna Stern, now the founder and CEO of New Things, and Ford CEO Jim Farley. Watch it here, or read the full transcript here.

Can Patreon fight fire with social media fire?
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Patreon’s Jack Conte on the future of the creator economy and why he doesn’t “want to make better cigarettes.”

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Who decides when AI is too dangerous?
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With the Mythos debacle, Anthropic gets its first taste of the Trump admin’s new AI regulation regime.

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Skydio CEO Adam Bry on why Silicon Valley shouldn’t draw red lines for drone use
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The head of the top US autonomous drone maker on China, mass surveillance, and why he thinks drones can make us safer.

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Microsoft swears its OpenAI breakup isn’t a messy divorce.

Microsoft AI CEO Mustafa Suleyman came on Decoder this week to talk about the path to superintelligence and the company’s ever-evolving relationship with OpenAI. When asked whether Microsoft was using Build to flex its independence from OpenAI like a “freshly single divorcée,” Suleyman had this to say:

Definitely not. No, not at all. Look, I mean, obviously that’s a cool headline and a fun phrase. But the reality is that we are in partnership with OpenAI for years and years to come… So naturally, that’s going to continue. And so I think that’s just a natural course of these sorts of partnerships.

I don’t think it’s anything untoward or surprising. I think OpenAI is very understanding and supportive of that. I mean, they’ve obviously been an incredibly fast-growing company, and they understand that we have to pursue our own agenda as well.

Microsoft’s AI chief says superintelligence is near, but won’t take your job
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Mustafa Suleyman on automation, OpenAI, and why it’s ‘dangerous’ to call AI ‘alive.’

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Elon Musk is steamrolling Wall Street to become a trillionaire
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Elon destroyed Twitter, but somehow still won as he prepares to take SpaceX public in what could be the biggest IPO ever.

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AI is blowing up music. How should the Grammys handle it?
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Recording Academy CEO Harvey Mason Jr. on human creativity in the age of AI

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Rivian’s software chief thinks you don’t need CarPlay or buttons
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Wassym Bensaid on why AI-powered voice control should be the future interface of car software.

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Sundar Pichai on AI, the future of search, and what’s happening to the web
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How Google’s CEO is reshaping the company — and the internet.

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Musk v. Altman: Much ado about nothing
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We sent Liz Lopatto to Musk v. Altman and all we got was this episode of Decoder

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Exclusive: Jonah Peretti explains why he sold BuzzFeed
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The soon-to-be-former CEO on AI, social media, and the end of an era

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How companies weaponize the terms of service against you
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Brendan Ballou discusses his new book on the rise, and hopefully fall, of forced arbitration.

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Joanna Stern is not a robot, but she lived with them
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The journalist and author of I Am Not a Robot on her year living with AI and starting a new media company.

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Dara Khosrowshahi on replacing Uber drivers — and himself — with AI
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Uber’s CEO on his plan to make Uber an everything app and take over travel.

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How to win — and lose — Decoder
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Nilay joins as the guest to discuss our AI coverage, controversial episodes, and what it takes to succeed or fail on Decoder.

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That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks
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UL CEO Jennifer Scanlon on why safety still matters in the AI era

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THE PEOPLE DO NOT YEARN FOR AUTOMATION
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Software brain is changing the world, but most people still aren’t buying.

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Canva’s CEO on its big pivot to AI enterprise software
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Why Melanie Perkins is confident Canva can take on the big AI players.

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Ronan Farrow on Sam Altman’s ‘unconstrained’ relationship with the truth
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The head of OpenAI has a reputation for deception. The New Yorker’s Ronan Farrow on why that matters.

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Can Puck reinvent the news business for the influencer age?
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CEO Sarah Personette’s big bet on the place where influencers and reporters might meet

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The AI industry’s race for profits is now existential
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It’s a make-or-break year for Anthropic and OpenAI, which are facing more pressure than ever to make more cash than they burn.

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Cisco CEO Chuck Robbins wants data centers in space
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The head of the networking giant on energy, infrastructure, and why AI is writing Cisco code.

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A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?
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Why nuclear options like age limits and repealing Section 230 won’t make social media safer.

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Okta’s CEO is betting big on AI agent identity
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Why Todd McKinnon thinks it’s ‘naive’ not to prepare for the SaaSpocalypse

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Everyone hates Ticketmaster. Why’d Trump go easy on them?
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The Justice Department’s surprise Live Nation settlement raises big questions about the future of federal antitrust.

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Confronting the CEO of the AI company that impersonated me
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Superhuman CEO Shishir Mehrotra says the intention of Grammarly’s expert review feature was not to impersonate real-life journalists. But he wouldn’t defend it.

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Paramount’s $110 billion Warner Bros. gamble
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To take on Netflix and YouTube, Paramount has to break the Warner Bros. curse.

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Yahoo CEO Jim Lanzone on reviving the web’s homepage
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How Yahoo escaped its Verizon death spiral and became profitable again.

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Anthropic doesn’t trust the Pentagon, and neither should you
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Techdirt’s Mike Masnick on the history of the NSA and mass surveillance in America, and why Anthropic’s fight with the Pentagon should worry us.

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Hasbro’s CEO on J.K. Rowling.

We just published our new Decoder interview with Chris Cocks, the head of Hasbro. I asked him directly about how he thinks about author J.K. Rowling’s politics and what it’s done to the Harry Potter fandom, following Hasbro’s major Harry Potter merchandising agreement announced just last month. Here’s what Chris had to say.

Hasbro’s CEO has an AI Peppa Pig help design toys
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Chris Cocks on AI, KPop Demon Hunters, and why Harry Potter still matters.

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