In a 2022 document presented to TikTok’s leadership, the company wrote that Instagram would likely make Reels its “no. 1 format.” TikTok predicted, “Instagram will redesign the interface and consolidate everything to Reels to make the short-form video first.”
Presser is reluctant to say so straightforwardly, testifying that’s not exactly how he thinks about it. But Meta’s attorney shows him a 2021 internal document where TikTok wrote, “YouTube and Instagram are TikTok’s most important competitors.”
Meta is trying to muddy Presser’s testimony about the distinctions between TikTok and Instagram by pulling up a filing TikTok made with an Australian regulator, arguing against an age restriction exemption for YouTube. “Today, TikTok, Reels and Shorts are virtually — and deliberately — indistinguishable in function and user experience,” the company wrote in March. Presser reiterates that while their features are very similar, the experience of the content on each app is different.
Presser says that only a “very minuscule” percentage of time spent on TikTok is in the friends tab — just about 1 percent. They keep it around in hopes that eventually it will help enhance users’ experiences, he says. Similarly, only a small percentage of users upload their contact lists from their address book or from Instagram and Facebook, he says, reinforcing the FTC’s argument that users don’t really go to TikTok to connect with their real-life connections.
The FTC brought up a declaration from TikTok in its own case against the US government over the law that seeks to ban the app unless it’s sold from its Chinese parent company ByteDance. The government used the declaration to show how TikTok described itself as offering a distinct service from other social platforms available in the US. It’s a reminder of the deeply strange context behind this case and Presser’s appearance today in the same courthouse where the TikTok ban law was litigated (and upheld).
Looking at a screenshot of the same video experience on TikTok, Instagram Reels, and YouTube Shorts that Meta has shown throughout trial to show the similarity between the products, Presser says the snapshot doesn’t tell the whole story. “When you click out of this view for these other platforms, you would get to essentially what I think of as their core business,” Presser says, which for Instagram, is its feed of content and stories. Plus, he says, “as you swipe on any of these platforms, the mix of content that you would get might feel different” because of the different recommendation algorithms.
Presser says the video app doesn’t offer this kind of service, reinforcing the FTC’s view that TikTok operates in a market distinct from the one it claims Meta monopolizes — which focuses on connecting users with friends and family, rather that surfacing content based on users’ interests. Presser’s testimony is significant for the FTC, in part because ByteDance’s submission to European regulators in 2020 uses the term “personal social networking” to define Facebook and Instagram, which Meta has tried to paint as a made-up label.
It’s now TikTok’s turn to explain why it does (or doesn’t) compete with Facebook and Instagram for a social network connecting friends and family. Adam Presser, who leads operations and trust and safety, is walking through a submission by TikTok’s owner ByteDance to the European Commission, where it distinguishes between social networking services like Meta’s apps and “online content creation and sharing services,” which are focused around sharing and consuming content based on interests.
Meta is trying to draw an analogy between Yahoo’s $1 billion acquisition of Tumblr in 2013 with Meta’s 2012 acquisition of Instagram for the same price. Tumblr wasn’t making a profit when it was acquired but had a large user base. A big difference, of course, is the trajectory of each startup. When Meta’s attorney asks if Tumblr’s subsequent sale to Automattic was “significantly less” than $10 million, Tucker says, “I saw a joke that it was near the price of a modest home in Silicon Valley.”
Eli Tucker is walking the court through the blogging platform, including its app store listing that describes it with the words, “Fandom, Art, Chaos.” Just like the FTC did with Pinterest, Strava, and Reddit, the government is trying to show Judge Boasberg that the way these other platforms are designed and used are more about connecting over interests than with friends — and therefore outside of the market Meta allegedly monopolizes.