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    Epic’s mobile security expert thinks Google should change its app store.

    Mickens came in with an agenda — he decided to “Examine whether the friction that Android imposes on non-Google Play Store app installation is justified by security concerns.”

    His conclusions, as presented to the jury:

    Conclusion 1: “The friction imposed by an operating system during app installation should be proportional to the likelihood that the app is harmful (as determined by a high-quality security review)

    Conclusion 2: The friction that Google imposes to installing apps via third-party channels is unwarranted and disproportionate to the security risks posed

    Conclusion 3: By making small changes to Android, Google could reduce the unwarranted friction while preserving (or even strengthening) the status quo of security on Android today

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    We’re back with James Mickens, a professor of computer science at Harvard.

    He teaches a class on operating systems, another on computer security, and is co-director of the Berkman-Klein Center for Internet and Society and the Institute for Rebooting Social Media. He says he used to work for Microsoft Research, and has published papers on mobile device security including “the propagation of malware on mobile devices.”

    Epic has submitted him as an expert witness on mobile device security — and Judge Donato agrees he’s qualified. On we go!

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    Overheard: “Maybe we get there, maybe we won’t, but at least you and I tried.”

    Epic lead attorney Gary Bornstein to Google lead attorney Glenn Pomerantz, as they walked back into the courtroom together.

    Both were chatting in the hall; it’s not out of the ordinary for the two parties’ attorneys to get friendly from what I’ve seen. But the judge has also sometimes sent them explicitly to work something out re: witnesses, sealing, or scheduling. Do they have an idea to present Judge Donato after the break?

    Update: Not yet; Judge Donato brought out the jury. Bornstein says he’s working out something with Google about playing a pair of video depositions, though.

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    What we didn’t hear: does Spotify have special deals on Apple, Xbox and PlayStation too?

    One would think so: we know Xbox handed out many policy exceptions for streaming apps, and I bet some astute reader can figure out which of the ones at my link is Spotify.

    We’re on break now, and Spotify’s deposition is done, without returning to the Coalition for App Fairness at all. What might we see when we return?

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    Spotify: “We have never been forced by Google to accept Play Billing.”

    Alzetta says that unlike with many other companies, Google didn’t make its own payment system mandatory for Spotify to adopt — the very first time Google approached Spotify about adding Google Play Billing, it was with a proposal in hand.

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    Spotify: “We are not going to pay a commission of 30 percent. Our business does not allow for that.”

    Spotify’s Sandra Alzetta says it’s against the company’s “principles,” too, and that “strategically,” Spotify simply won’t do it, full stop.

    Alzetta says Spotify has been forced to raise its prices over the years: “We had to increase our prices to consumer. We had to increase them significantly. That is not a good thing for a consumer.”

    It is true that Spotify has rarely turned a profit; it generally prioritizes growth, which gives it the scale to broker deals like the zero-percent arrangement with Google.

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    Epic didn’t probe on the Coalition for App Fairness. Will Google?

    We’re hearing a lot of assertions how hard Spotify has worked to build its own payment system and how important choice is to users (Alzetta says “we know that” choice results in increased conversion rates), but there was only a passing mention of the Coalition for App Fairness, a controversial lobbying group which, I revealed in 2021, was set up explicitly by Epic Games to help win its case.

    It’s pretty rich to be a member of the Coalition for App Fairness and also work out a secret zero percent deal with Google that you want to keep hidden, isn’t it?

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    Epic is closing the net around Google’s argument that Play is more than payments.

    We are looking at a line in the actual agreement between Google and Spotify where Spotify made out like a bandit compared to other Android developers. It reads:

    The program fees are payable on account of Google Play’s billing system services.

    Epic’s lawyer asks: what about distribution? (Google has argued that Play provides massive scale distribution, security, and many other features in exchange for the fee.)

    Spotify’s Alzetta says no — Spotify is only paying Google for payment processing. There were also “some commitments with regard to product” and a “marketing success fund” as part of the deal, but that’s it.

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    “If a user chooses to use Spotify for its payment method, there is no fee paid to Google.”

    Spotify’s Sandra Alzetta is the one who brokered the secret deal, we’re learning — and she just confirmed in no uncertain terms what we learned yesterday about Google’s zero percent sweetheart deal for Spotify.

    If users choose Google Play Billing to pay for Spotify, she says, Spotify only pays to cover Google’s cost to process the payment.

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    Sean Hollister
    We’re done with Amazon’s Donn Morrill and on to Spotify’s Sandra Alzetta.

    Judge James Donato is telling the jury that they will see more details about Spotify that won’t be revealed in public court. It’s the second time we’ve done that in this case — but the previous secret numbers eventually did get unsealed, revealing that Spotify had a secret deal to pay effectively nothing to Google for the Play Store.

    Sandra Alzetta is Spotify’s head of commerce. We’re watching a video deposition from September 2022.