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Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas – and other problems. Verge Editor-in-Chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policy makers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future. Subscribe here!

GM software boss: we have ‘high conviction’ ditching CarPlay is the right path

GM’s Baris Cetinok is committed to building a custom experience to rival that of Apple and Google.

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‘It’s the First Amendment, stupid’: the bizarre fight between Trump and broadcast TV

Don’t worry — Elon Musk is somehow also involved.

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Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky on the gospel of Steve Jobs and what founder mode really means

The Airbnb cofounder discusses being ‘in the details’ and why traditional management is doing it wrong.

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Why AI companies are dropping the doomerism

The latest AI manifesto, from Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei, says a lot about the industry’s current moment.

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Nilay Patel
Egregious!

Here’s a video clip of my Decoder exchange on tax lobbying with Intuit CEO Sasan Goodarzi that the company called “egregious” and “disappointing” and asked us to delete. Fair warning: it’s a TikTok so it’s edited, but you can listen to the entire unedited clip on the pod this week.

How influencers are changing advertising, with Digitas CEO Amy Lanzi

The future of marketing — and, in a way, everything else — is getting a shakeup.

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Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn wants you addicted to learning

The cofounder of the world’s largest education app thinks AI and gamification can supercharge language learning.

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The impossible dream of good workplace software

Can AI actually change our love-hate relationship with our tools?

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Nilay Patel
Nilay Patel
Correction: Only 5,000 people are using the Rabbit R1 at any given time, not in a day.

That’s straight from Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu, who took great exception to our story from September 25th, which was sourced to a Fast Company article about his comments at one of their events. Jesse told me the actual daily user number was around 20,000, spiking up to 34,000 the day the company’s new LAM Playgrounds were launched, and that his actual comment was that 5,000 of those people were using the Rabbit at any given time. For context, Jesse also told me Rabbit has sold 100,000 R1s so far.

Fast Company has corrected its story, and we’ve updated our story as well. You can hear the whole conversation on Decoder.

Rabbit CEO Jesse Lyu isn’t thinking too far ahead

Rabbit’s large action model is here, sort of — but everyone else is coming fast.

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The toxic transformation of Warcraft maker Blizzard

Journalist Jason Schreier discusses his new book, Play Nice: The Rise, Fall, and Future of Blizzard Entertainment.

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NBCU’s streaming chief isn’t worried about you canceling cable

Matt Strauss, head of Peacock and global streaming, has plans to keep you watching.

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Why Mark Zuckerberg thinks AR glasses will replace your phone
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Meta’s CEO on his first pair of AR glasses, partnering with Ray-Ban, why he’s done with politics, and more.

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Arc creator Josh Miller on why you need a better browser than Chrome

The Browser Company cofounder thinks it’s time to modernize the browser and reinvent the web.

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How Philips CEO Roy Jakobs is turning the company around after a major recall

Lightbulbs and electronics defined a century of Royal Philips. Can AI and healthcare define its next era?

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Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

Anthropic’s new chief product officer on the promise and limits of chatbots like Claude and what’s next for generative AI.

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How The Onion is saving itself from the digital media death spiral

The new owners of the satire site rescued it from content farm hell. Now, they’re relaunching its newspaper.

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GitHub CEO Thomas Dohmke says the AI industry needs competition to thrive

Dohmke says navigating Microsoft-OpenAI isn’t as complicated as it seems, and open source is still king.

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Replika CEO Eugenia Kuyda says it’s okay if we end up marrying AI chatbots

The head of chatbot maker Replika discusses the role AI will play in the future of human relationships.

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DOJ antitrust chief is ‘overjoyed’ after Google monopoly verdict

AAG Jonathan Kanter says the Google monopoly verdict belongs on the ‘Mount Rushmore of antitrust.’

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Booking and Priceline chief Glenn Fogel wants you to yell at AI chatbots, not humans

The head of online hotel and flight giant Booking Holdings on how competition, regulation, and AI are changing travel.

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Nilay Patel
Nilay Patel
Down the stack, baby.

One thing about having the idea of AI clones attending meetings in Zoom presented to you for the first time in a conversation with the CEO on your podcast is that other people get to react to said idea in a much funnier way, like Angela Collier does here.

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Logitech CEO Hanneke Faber wants your next mouse to last forever

The new head of Logitech discusses the company’s return to growth and plans to reduce its carbon footprint by half.

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What do you want more?

A new Rivian or easy access to your iPhone apps from your vehicle’s console? CEO RJ Scaringe says you can’t have both.

Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe: too many carmakers are copying Tesla

Rivian’s founder on the R2 / R3 roadmap and the company’s $5 billion VW deal.

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Biden’s top tech adviser says AI is a ‘today problem’

Arati Prabhakar, a former DARPA chief and now director of the White House’s OSTP, says the time to regulate AI is now.

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Why The Atlantic signed a deal with OpenAI

CEO Nicholas Thompson discusses the deal: ‘AI is coming. It is coming quickly. We want to be part of whatever transition happens.’

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Canva CEO Melanie Perkins thinks the design world needs more alternatives to Adobe

To her, AI is just an extension of what Canva has always done: make accessible design tools that cost less than Adobe’s.

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How Big Green Egg is inviting zoomers to the cult of kamado cooking

CEO Dan Gertsacov joins us for our July Fourth Big Green Episode.

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