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Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas – and other problems. Verge Editor-in-Chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policy makers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future. Subscribe here!

Why Figma CEO Dylan Field is optimistic about AI and the future of design

The leader of design toolmaker Figma on life after the failed Adobe deal and what comes next in a live interview from SXSW.

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Guest host Hank Green makes Nilay Patel explain why websites have a future

On this special episode of Decoder, Complexly co-founder and YouTuber Hank Green turns the tables on Nilay Patel.

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Crunchyroll president Rahul Purini on how anime took over the world

The head of the fast-growing streaming service discusses the Funimation merger and shutdown and where he sees growth in anime.

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DOJ’s Jonathan Kanter says the antitrust fight against Big Tech is just beginning

The assistant attorney general says ‘the resonance these issues have is something that I’ve never witnessed in my lifetime.’

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Nilay Patel
Welcome to the first Thursday Decoder.

This week marks the launch of Decoder’s second episode, which will explain big topics in the news with Verge reporters, experts, and other friends of the show. (The other Decoder you know and love, featuring big interviews with CEOs and others, now publishes every Monday.)

For this episode, I sat down with Verge Transportation Editor Andy Hawkins, to discuss a fantastic article he wrote called, “The EV Transition trips over its own cord.” It’s all about how the momentum for electric cars in America has started to hit serious snags, even as more people than ever before go fully electric. Check it out.

Platformer’s Casey Newton on surviving the great media collapse and what comes next

The editor of the popular tech newsletter talks about leaving Substack and where he’s seeing successful business models in media.

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Why Sen. Brian Schatz thinks child safety bills can trump the First Amendment

The Democratic senator from Hawaii on regulating social media: ‘An algorithm doesn’t have a First Amendment right.’

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Rep. Ro Khanna on what it will take for Congress to regulate AI, privacy, and social media

The Democratic representative from California, whose district includes Apple and Nvidia, discusses the future of tech regulation and the 2024 election.

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How Adobe is managing the AI copyright dilemma, with general counsel Dana Rao

Adobe’s top lawyer discusses the future of copyright, why the Figma acquisition fell through, and why he’s optimistic AI won’t put creatives out of work.

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Why Flexport CEO Ryan Petersen took his company back

His replacement got the boot barely a year into the job. What brought Petersen back?

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Nick Statt
Nick Statt
Listen to Mina Hsiang revisit her time on the “surge” team that fixed HealthCare.gov.

In case you haven’t listened to the most recent episode of Decoder, Hsiang, who is now the United States Digital Service administrator, told us the inside story of how she helped fix the disastrous rollout of HealthCare.gov a decade ago. Read the full interview here, or listen to the podcast here.

USDS head Mina Hsiang wants Big Tech’s best minds to help fix the government

Ten years after healthcare.gov, the fed’s tech consultancy wants you to help with the next big thing.

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IBM’s Jerry Chow on the future of quantum computing

What’s a qubit? Are quantum computers useful yet? And how wrong was Ant-Man, anyway?

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Wix CEO Avishai Abrahami on why the web isn’t dying after all

The co-founder of website builder Wix is embracing generative AI, and he’s not too worried that it might destroy the business models of the web.

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Volvo CEO Jim Rowan thinks dropping Apple CarPlay is a mistake

As cars become computers on wheels, the former BlackBerry and Dyson executive is approaching Volvo’s EV transformation with a consumer electronics mindset.

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Richard Lawler
Richard Lawler
Barack Obama on AI, free speech, and the future of the internet.

In a sitdown with Verge EIC Nilay Patel on Decoder, the 44th president discussed Joe Biden’s recently-signed executive order about AI, why Obama disagrees with the idea that social networks are a “common carrier,” and which iPhone apps he uses the most, now that he’s no longer president and he can use an iPhone.

Barack Obama on AI, free speech, and the future of the internet
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The former president joined me on Decoder to discuss AI regulation, the First Amendment, and of course, what apps he has on his homescreen.

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Nilay Patel
Nilay Patel
Barack Obama is on Decoder next week.

The 44th President just posted his AI reading list and let it slip that he and I chatted about the challenges of regulating AI — and he recommended our episode on free speech and social networks with Larry Lessig as well. Coming on Tuesday — subscribe now so you don’t miss it.

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AI is on a collision course with music — Reservoir’s Golnar Khosrowshahi thinks there’s a way through

The publisher behind the songwriting copyrights to some of the most popular music ever recorded doesn’t think AI spells doom for the industry.

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Harvard professor Lawrence Lessig on balancing free speech with protecting democracy

After 30 years teaching law, the internet policy legend is as worried as you’d think about AI and TikTok — and he has surprising thoughts about balancing free speech with protecting democracy.

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Richard Lawler
Richard Lawler
Is it too late to protect our privacy?

Kashmir Hill, author of the book Your Face Belongs to Us and “not a privacy nihilist,” spoke to Nilay on Decoder about whether or not we can do anything about the rise of a facial recognition-enabled dystopian world.

Clearview AI and the end of privacy, with author Kashmir Hill

New York Times journalist Kashmir Hill comes on Decoder to discuss her new book, Your Face Belongs to Us, and what the spread of facial recognition technology means for the future of privacy.

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CEO David Baszucki’s mission to make Roblox a billion-player platform
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AI is relatively easy. Working in China? That’s harder.

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Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe on ramping up R1T production and competing with the Cybertruck
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The Rivian founder kicked off last month’s Code Conference with a conversation about supply chain challenges, the company’s Amazon deal, and whether the R1T will compete with the Cybertruck.

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Getty Images CEO Craig Peters has a plan to defend photography from AI
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Getty’s entire brand is built on authenticity. CEO Craig Peters sat down with us at Code to talk about how the company is dealing with AI and disinformation.

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Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott on how AI and art will coexist in the future
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Microsoft’s Kevin Scott sat down with us at Code to talk about Bing’s competition with Google, the race to acquire and develop high-end GPUs, and how art can survive in the age of AI.

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‘The Android of agriculture’: Monarch Tractor CEO Praveen Penmetsa on the future of farming
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Monarch Tractor’s Praveen Penmetsa has a grand vision for agriculture, and it includes autonomous electric smart tractors powered by AI.

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AMD CEO Lisa Su on the AI revolution and competing with Nvidia
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At this year’s Code Conference, the CEO of one of the world’s largest computer chip companies discusses competing with Nvidia’s leading GPU, AI regulation, and the global supply chain.

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Mark Zuckerberg on Threads, the future of AI, and Quest 3
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In a rare interview, Meta’s CEO dives into where AI is going next, the new Quest 3 headset, and his ongoing rivalry with Elon Musk.

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After 10 years covering startups, former TechCrunch editor-in-chief Matthew Panzarino tells us what’s next

It’s been a rocky and chaotic decade — and now digital media is on the brink of yet another existential crisis thanks to generative AI.

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More than Sally Ride: Loren Grush explains how NASA’s first women astronauts changed space

In the 1980s, NASA wanted space to become a booming business — and the first six women astronauts were meant to help get it off the ground.

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Biometrics? Bring it on: why Okta’s Jameeka Green Aaron wants passwords to go away

How do you define what it means to be you in the all-digital 21st century — and how should systems protect that?

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Decoder merch has landed

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There’s no AI without the cloud, says AWS CEO Adam Selipsky

AWS has been around for nearly all the big computing transformations of the 21st century so far. Selipsky’s not worried about the next one.

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