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Sean Hollister
Sean Hollister
Sony believes nearly half of PS5 owners also have a Nintendo Switch.

Sony doesn’t see the Nintendo Switch as a competitor, and PlayStation boss Jim Ryan’s poorly redacted letter shows us another reason why:

According to SIE internal surveys, almost half of PlayStation 5 owners in the United States also own a Nintendo Switch, while less than 20% of PlayStation 5 owners in the United States also own an Xbox Series X or S.

The FTC and Microsoft have continually been arguing over whether the Switch is a competitor during the courtroom battle.

Tom Warren
Tom Warren
The court has pulled all its exhibits after the Sony redaction mess.

While we listen to Dr. Bailey’s testimony, a storm is unfolding elsewhere in the FTC v. Microsoft case. The court uploaded a document earlier from Sony that included confidential financial information that wasn’t properly redacted. Now all the documents have suddenly disappeared.

It looks like some redacted the documents with a pen and when you scan them in it’s easy to see the redactions. Reporters and Sony’s competition will have downloaded all the documents as they were in the public domain, so the damage is done:

Horizon Forbidden West apparently cost $212 million over five years with 300 employees

• 1 million gamers play nothing but Call of Duty

• Sony says only one more Call of Duty game was guaranteed to come to PlayStation

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Sony’s PlayStation chief says publishers hate Xbox Game Pass

FTC v. Microsoft day three was all about Sony’s objection to the Activision Blizzard deal, its bet against Game Pass, and a cloudy future.

Tom Warren
Tom Warren
Tom Warren
We’re back with Dr. Lee.

A brief lunch break and Microsoft’s lawyer now continues to question Dr. Lee. This time it’s about Microsoft’s 10-year offer for Call of Duty on PlayStation.

“In my analysis I only look at agreements that have been signed,” says Dr. Lee. Microsoft’s lawyer points out there are agreements that have been signed between Microsoft and competitors. Microsoft’s lawyer is keen to point out an agreement for Final Fantasy 16 exclusivity.

Microsoft lawyer: One of the things Sony could do is take a game that was on multiple platforms and pay to have it only on PlayStation right?

Dr. Lee: That is my understanding. Do you have a particular example?

Microsoft lawyer: Do you know the game Final Fantasy 16?

Dr. Lee: I’ve heard of that game.

Microsoft lawyer: Do you know that it was on Xbox and PS5?

Dr. Lee: I don’t know what console that was released on.

After this exchange Dr. Lee is asked whether exclusive games are harmful to competition? Dr. Lee admits that exclusivity can have “both pro and anti-competitive effects.”

Tom Warren
Tom Warren
The CMA’s survey gets a mention.

Microsoft’s lawyer has now introduced the UK’s Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) analysis of Call of Duty being Xbox exclusive and whether it would financially benefit Microsoft.

The CMA had originally provisionally concluded that a Microsoft strategy to withhold Call of Duty from PlayStation would be profitable, but Microsoft wasn’t happy with that and publicly criticized the regulator’s math. The CMA then adjusted its financial model and sided with Microsoft, leaving just cloud concerns for it to decide to block the merger.

Microsoft’s own survey used a wider number of users than the CMA’s own survey which includes a number of people who do not play Call of Duty. Microsoft’s questioning to Dr. Lee here is around whether he saw this survey and considered it in his own analysis. He confirms he didn’t look at the survey and things are getting a little more fraught around the questioning here. Microsoft’s lawyer sternly asks: “Professor Lee, can you answer my question?”

Tom Warren
Tom Warren
Questions over Dr. Lee’s report.

Microsoft’s lawyer, Beth Wilkinson, is asking Dr. Robin Lee about the quantitative models he has used to create his report. Dr. Lee predicts how many PlayStation players would switch to Xbox if Call of Duty was exclusive to Xbox:

“On average during Call of Duty titles during generation 8, Xbox share would increase by 8.9 percentage points.”

Such a loss would come from PlayStation losing players, as Call of Duty isn’t available on Nintendo Switch. Wilkinson argues that Dr. Lee’s model takes the data from older consoles and then applies it to new consoles.

Wilkinson also points out that Dr. Lee doesn’t have models for share shift in multi-game subscriptions or cloud gaming where titles like Call of Duty are taken away fully.

Tom Warren
Tom Warren
PlayStation chief on cloud gaming.

PlayStation Now had a subscriber base of 3 million users, Ryan says. He predicts that cloud gaming won’t be a meaningful thing until at least 2025:

“I would say that cloud technology will become a meaningful component of how gamers access games between 2025 and 2035. We’re making significant investments in cloud in anticipation of it becoming a very meaningful way of how gamers access game content.”

Sony recently started testing cloud streaming for PS5 games, with plans to add this as a feature to its PlayStation Plus Premium subscription.

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Tom Warren
Tom Warren
Xbox beat PS5 sales for three months in 2021.

Jim Ryan confirms that Sony had some shipping constraints in 2021 that means Xbox Series S / X sales beat PS5 for around three months. He says there’s no other time during this latest generation where Xbox sales have materially exceeded PS5.

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Tom Warren
Tom Warren
Ryan says publishers don’t like Game Pass.

Jim Ryan speaking to those Fidelity investors said publishers don’t like Xbox Game Pass:

“I talked to all publishers they unanimously do not like Game Pass, because its value destructive.”

He defends the comments saying it’s a “very commonly held view by publishers.”

Microsoft lawyer: So you had no reason to think Mr. Kotick would put Call of Duty on Game Pass.. if this transaction was not completed?

Ryan: Correct.

Ryan also said to investors he was expecting more than 25 million Xbox Game Pass subscribers and that Sony’s 50 million PlayStation Plus subscribers during the investor meeting.

Tom Warren
Tom Warren
Sony’s hedge against Game Pass.

We’re now looking at notes from a meeting with Fidelity investors in February 2022. Jim Ryan discussed the importance of first-party content to fend off competition from Game Pass:

“One of the reasons why we are investing massively in first-party development and publishing is to provide us with an edge against pressure on a historic business model. Having a business model where you own elements from top to the bottom increases your ability to be self-determinant.”

Microsoft lawyer: Do you think it would be better if Microsoft kept Activision games on PlayStation?

Ryan: Yes, I do

Microsoft lawyer: So you do believe it’s in Microsoft’s best interests to make Activision games available on multiple platforms?

Ryan: No, I don’t agree with that

Microsoft lawyer: So if you were running Xbox, would you recommend making Call of Duty and other Activision games exclusive to Xbox and PC?

Ryan: That’s a hypothetical question that I don’t wish to answer

Microsoft lawyer: So you don’t get to answer?

Ryan: I don’t have enough knowledge to answer that question

Tom Warren
Tom Warren
What does Sony think about Starfield?

Jim Ryan is asked if there’s anything wrong in Microsoft doing exclusives like Redfall. He says “I don’t like it but I fundamentally but have no quarrel with it.”

What about Starfield?

“I don’t like it, but I don’t view it as anti-competitive.”

Tom Warren
Tom Warren
Sony’s alarm bells started ringing in August, apparently.

Jim Ryan says an August August 26th, 2022 from Phil Spencer “really set alarm bells ringing” inside Sony. Up until that point Sony hadn’t negotiated an access agreement. Microsoft argues Sony didn’t have any initial concerns after a January 31st proposal email and calls to the Sony CEO and Jim Ryan.

“I wasn’t particularly happy with the January 31st proposal, but hoped that it was an opening salvo,” said Ryan. “I believe this transaction is bad for competition.”

Asked about whether Sony’s meeting with UK regulators in the summer of 2022 was before or after Spencer’s email, Jim Ryan can’t recall. “We certainly had one meeting with the CMA over the summer,” says Ryan.

Tom Warren
Tom Warren
Sony is worried about Call of Duty on Xbox Game Pass.

Sony PlayStation chief Jim Ryan says the company is worried about how Microsoft will use Call of Duty:

“We believe that Microsoft intends to use Call of Duty to disadvantage PlayStation in terms of the availability or the manner in which the game is made available on PlayStation and to drive players to Xbox and specifically Game Pass.”

Ryan then goes on to describe how PlayStation players could switch to Xbox:

“A critical feature of a game console in terms of its attractiveness to people that make games is its level of install base. “If a meaningful number of people switched from PlayStation to Xbox... that most certainly would hurt gamers.”

In a private email Ryan from last year, he said he wasn’t concerned about exclusivity. “They’re thinking bigger than that and they have the cash to make moves like this. I’ve spent a fair amount of time with both Phil [Spencer] Bobby [Kotick] over the past day and I’m pretty sure we will continue to see Call of Duty on PlayStation for many years to come.”